Affirmative Action should be income-based, not race-based

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

“Real life example”? Sounded more like a steaming heap of racist stereotypes.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

True. Some kids are born into poverty and go to crappy schools, others into the working class and attend 5 and 6 schools, and still others into affluence with money for private schools and tutors. That's why SES should be the sole factor in AA policy - evens the playing field.

SES is not the only factor. URM kids and kids without college-educated parents aren’t on a level-playing field.

so by that logic all URM are inferior.....

think about the message being sent out

and for the last time on the bigger issue children of upper class blacks don't need a leg-up on admissions

most of the spots are going to recent African immigrants any way.

any way you slice it URM racial Affirmative Action is a joke and a shell game. It needs to end

No. Just that race still plays a huge role today and therefore it should still be a factor. Could be adjusted by also looking at SES but it should not be eliminated.

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Anonymous wrote:No. Absolutely not.

Poor white people, poor white trash as we call them in my house growing up, still have all the advantages of being white.

It's nonsense to pretend otherwise.

But, that's not true...as evidenced by the fact that you grew up calling them poor white trash.

If you lived or worked in or studied poverty in the south and rural America, you would understand.

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

Yeah? You want more details? How about a fourth-floor tenement walk-up, watered down soup for dinner, the "steam" turned on only for four hours a day so the family froze the rest of the day (and night), and hand-me:down clothes from cousins. That is not white privilege.

(And as far as a filthy apartment, why didn't your family do better keeping it clean? My family was dirt-poor but did the best they could to keep it clean.)

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The tears continue to flow. Clearly somebody's mediocre kid got rejected from UVA/UMD and is blaming the handful of black kids walking around campus.

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Do the black and brown children of the kardashians, professional athletes and other wealthy celebrities really need the boost of affirmative action? Of course not.

Now please explain why the black and brown children of no-name but affluent CEOs, doctors, lawyers, etc. who attend private schools do? Or even those in excellent public schools with affluent parents?

What about kids who fall under the minority status but were adopted and raised by affluent whites?

Socioeconomics trump race when it comes to academics and privilege. Or do you truly believe that minority kids raised by wealthy parents who attend excellent schools truly aren't genetically equipped to achieve academically on par with their white counterparts? If you believe that, then perhaps *you* should check your white privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

Try not to be a moron.....life will never be an even playing field for anybody. But if your life strategy is to wait around for handouts and handicaps you’re not sending a very empowering message to your children.

Why do you think that’s my strategy or the message I send to my kids?

Well?

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

“Real life example”? Sounded more like a steaming heap of racist stereotypes.

Yes, real life - with the result of a life- changing experience for a hard-working, intelligent, and motivated poor white kid WHO DESERVED THAT CHANCE.

But you still haven't said what's racist in my post, or what supposed racist stereotypes you are reading into it. And be careful....your answer will reveal your own racism. So, do tell.

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the liberals posting here are saying that URM are inferior

if conservatives were saying that liberals would be going crazy racist this racist that lol

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Anonymous wrote:The tears continue to flow. Clearly somebody's mediocre kid got rejected from UVA/UMD and is blaming the handful of black kids walking around campus.

Nobody's kid was rejected. We are having a debate about the inherent unfairness of current AA policies.

And you can't have it both ways - not honestly, anyway. You cannot 1) continue to insist that black kids, including those from middle-income backgrounds, get bumped above poor whites kids with better grades, and 2) continue to insist that black beneficiaries of AA did not displace a white kid with superior academics.

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Anonymous wrote:All you posters who are insisting that minorities admitted to competitive schools with lower grades and scores than white and Asian students do just as well, be realistic. In what universe would you put a crop of B- stidents in with straight A students, and not expect the former group to struggle to keep up with the latter group?

I've worked in the industry. I can tell you that that a high percentage of the minorities admitted under the lesser AA standards require a lot of tutoring to stay in the program. (Competitive universities invest a lot in keeping the AA students in their programs since they want to keep the drop-out rate low.) By comparison, the minorities who would have gained admission under the standard guidelines, which constitute about a third of minorities. do not need extra tutoring to keep from failing. As one would expect. After all, they were "equal" in terms of grades and test scores as the non-minority students.

Stanford had to create a couple of “physics for dummies” type courses to boost retention of URM students. Is that really the way AA is supposed to work? Pretty pathetic.

Yes, and I've heard black graduates complain that people wonder if they got in - and through - on their own, or whether lesser standards applied. Well. You can't have it both ways. If you lower standards to admit minorities who otherwise would have been rejected, every minority will then be suspected of getting in because of lesser standards.

The people who suffer, beyond the whites who are outright rejected, are the minorities who would have gotten in on their own. If a school has an entering class of 2000 students, 10% of whom are black (200), approximately 70 of them qualified under the "white standard." Approximately 130 would have had to go to a lesser school, if equal standards were applied.

The other ones who suffer are the many excellent Asian Americans who are rejected because according to the racial/ PC police they are "overrepresented."

Get off the cross we need the wood. Apply to a different school. Move on. Be smart and take a full scholarship instead of taking high yielding money out of a lucrative market. Harvard is ONE school.

DP. So why can't the minorities admitted to Harvard under lower standards apply to a different school? Why do the Asians have to go to the lesser school when their grades and scores were higher?

Because their spots were taken by legacies and athletes?

No, their spots were taken by black students with much lower grades and test scores.

Much lower than the athletes? Really?

DP. Yes, blacks get the largest handicaps followed by latinos, athletes and legacies. The data are all there if you care to look.

Ah no. Athletes and legacies have the greatest handicap. After all, those two cohorts bring in billions of dollars to the school in donations and tv rights.

You’re wrong and a bit dense....there’s ample data on this topic. I also don’t understand why black people deny the significant handicaps they receive....that is the heart of what AA is.

Lies lies and more lies.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

As soon as life is an even playing field then we won't need AA.

That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

Wow. Proud Boy material right here.

So tell me, oh ye liberal who calls everyone a racist.....what was possibly racist about my comment above? It was taken from a real-life example.

You, OTOH, are resistant to acknowledging that the poor white kid deserves the chance he earned.

“Real life example”? Sounded more like a steaming heap of racist stereotypes.

Yes, real life - with the result of a life- changing experience for a hard-working, intelligent, and motivated poor white kid WHO DESERVED THAT CHANCE.

But you still haven't said what's racist in my post, or what supposed racist stereotypes you are reading into it. And be careful....your answer will reveal your own racism. So, do tell.

Year? Location? Which street corner? How did you measure motivation and intelligence?

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Anonymous wrote:the liberals posting here are saying that URM are inferior

if conservatives were saying that liberals would be going crazy racist this racist that lol

Time stamp? Oh wait. You don’t have one because you are FOS. Liar.

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Anonymous wrote:The flood of white tears in this thread is amazing. Of all the problems minority kids face today, this is what you guys cry about.

The disdain for white folks in this thread, who lose college seats to those less qualified, is amazing. I wonder if the bigota going on about "white trash" are black?

And being kept out of med school, a lifelong dream, so that a lesser scoring minority gets in instead of you is a big deal.

That wasn't his seat - a more qualified white/Asian kid would have taken it if not the URM. WAY more qualified kids applying - don't blame it on the handful of spots for URMs. Next time study harder.

Again, complete denial. if there's one spot remaining, and the black kid with a 3.2 gets it and the white kid with a 3.8 is told to take a hike, the white kid DID lose to the black kid.

Why don't you take that same WGAF attitude and apply it to black kids who, if standards were equal, would have lost out to the white kid. I don't hear you telling HIM to study harder.

The AA policy as it now stands is most unfair to lower-income whites who, despite their disadvantage, manage to get close to a 4.0 average - and their lose their spot in grad school to a middle-income black stident with a B+ average.

waiting for AA in sports

look all liberals and URM apologists on here. Make it an even playing field or shut the heck up

Which sport, lacrosse, hockey, frisbee, football, skiing, . . . What?

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That means white people giving up their privileged bubbles, right?

You mean the poor white kid, sleeping on the sofa in the living room because his parents couldn't afford a 2-bedroom apartment, and studying diligently for As while his less motivated and less intelligent classmates hung on out street corner, and knowing that his only chance to attain a middle-class life would be if he got an academic scholarship to college, and having to work part-time during the school year to help bring in money, should get out of his privileged bubble?

Yeah, right.

^Definition of a white person who doesn't understand what "white privilege" means.

-signed an Asian American who grew up poor and lived in a filthy tiny 1 br apt as a child of a family of 5

There are countless kids of every color and race living as you described. The ones who also happen to be white and impoverished are not privileged.

Again, you don't understand what white privilege means. You don't have to ever worry about being racially profiled by the cops or store owners; a poor white person is treated better by our judicial system than a black person

A rich black person can still be racially profiled by stores than a not so rich white person. A middle income black man can't get cabs to stop for him, while a poor white person would have no problem getting a cab to stop.

It's not about how there are some poor white people who struggle financially, but that white people, no matter their income level, will never have to struggle with the aforementioned issues. Get it?