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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]All you posters who are insisting that minorities admitted to competitive schools with lower grades and scores than white and Asian students do just as well, be realistic. In what universe would you put a crop of B- stidents in with straight A students, and not expect the former group to struggle to keep up with the latter group?

I've worked in the industry. I can tell you that that a high percentage of the minorities admitted under the lesser AA standards require a lot of tutoring to stay in the program. (Competitive universities invest a lot in keeping the AA students in their programs since they want to keep the drop-out rate low.) By comparison, the minorities who would have gained admission under the standard guidelines, which constitute about a third of minorities. do not need extra tutoring to keep from failing. As one would expect. After all, they were "equal" in terms of grades and test scores as the non-minority students.

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Stanford had to create  a couple of “physics for dummies” type courses to boost retention of URM students.  Is that really the way AA is supposed to work?  Pretty pathetic.[/quote]
Yes, and I've heard black graduates complain that people wonder if they got in - and through - on their own, or whether lesser standards applied. Well. You can't have it both ways. If you lower standards to admit minorities who otherwise would have been rejected, every minority will then be suspected of getting in because of lesser standards.

The people who suffer, beyond the whites who are outright rejected, are the minorities who would have gotten in on their own. If a school has an entering class of 2000 students, 10% of whom are black (200), approximately 70 of them qualified under the "white standard." Approximately 130 would have had to go to a lesser school, if equal standards were applied.[/quote]

The other ones who suffer are the many excellent Asian Americans who are rejected because according to the racial/ PC police they are "overrepresented."[/quote]

Get off the cross we need the wood. Apply to a different school. Move on. Be smart and take a full scholarship instead of taking high yielding money out of a lucrative market. Harvard is ONE school. [/quote]
DP. So why can't the minorities admitted to Harvard under lower standards apply to a different school? Why do the Asians have to go to the lesser school when their grades and scores were higher?

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Because their spots were taken by legacies and athletes?[/quote]
No, their spots were taken by black students with much lower grades and test scores. [/quote]scores

Much lower than the athletes?  Really?[/quote]

DP.    Yes, blacks get the largest handicaps followed by latinos, athletes and legacies.  The data are all there if you care to look.[/quote]
It's true about the stats. The organization that produces the med school admission test has some very telling data on its website. The average grades and test scores for blacks admitted to med school are significantly lower for blacks than whites. There is no way in he!! that a kid with a 3.2 average in college is getting into med school - unless he's black.

My friend's son had a high test score and a 3.7 average - but it wasn't good enough to get into med school....any med school. (And he didn't have it easy: His father died when he was 12 and his mother raised him on a single income.) In the meantime, black kids with not much more than a B average and substantially lower scores get accepted. [/quote]

Yes, it's tough to get into med school. He should have studied harder instead of bitching about a handful of spots that go to URMs.

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Or, they should stop rejecting A- white kids in favor of B black kids, who then need extensive tutoring to maintain pace with their better qualified peers. med school is tough! No wonder the B students admitted under AA struggle through.

Or at least the black kids and their parents should be appreciative of the fact that they were given better students' spots because the rejected white kids were the wrong color. Instead, we have entitled black people telling them to quit bitching. [/quote]

The A- kids didn't have a chance anyway. They are competing against the A+ kids. Do you know anyone who went to medical school recently? It's not the A- kids.

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What kind of logic is this?? The reason the white A- kids didn't have a chance is because med schools gave their slots to the black B students!

It's unreal how some of you are trying to deny that giving preference to blacks comes at the expense of whites. [/quote]

For the vast majority of the whiners, they aren't losing their spots to URM kids. It's a numbers game. There are many fewer URM kids applying for a handful of URM slots. But buttloads of mediocre MC/UMC kids fighting for the same spots.

Send your kid to state school. They will be fine. Give the URM kid a spot at a life-changing program. By lifting up others, we lift us all up. 
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Why shouldn't the black kid go to state school if that's what his academic record would qualify him for? To use your phrase...."He'll be fine."

You think that the lower-income white kid who excelled academically and would otherwise have gotten accepted to Harvard wouldn't find THAT a life-changing experience? Why such prejudice against poor whites who deserve a chance, given a shining scholastic record? [/quote]

URM students should go to the best school they can. If that's Harvard, great. If it's a state school, that's great too. Although maybe state schools don't provide as much additional support to help them "catch up".

I said earlier that I'd be open to a combination of race, SES, and academics. 
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