An interesting article about MCPS student population

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

People that chose North Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Clarksburg, etc... may not have wanted a walkable urban lifestyle but that is what is being shoved down everyone's throats. I know when I moved here 14yrs ago, it was to move to the SUBURBS. The growth in the area is absurd. High rise condo/apartments up and down 355. Gaithersburg used to be farmland and they are doing nothing but build build. And it isn't single family homes on 1/4 acre lots. It is mega mansions on 1/8 acre lot or rows of town homes or blocks of condos. An area that a normal suburb would have maybe 40 homes now has at least 100 homes. And the county continues to say apartment dwellers do not have school aged kids. So condos and apartments yield ZERO child growth when they attempt to figure out how many kids will be at a school in say 5 years. This is because the developers do not want to pay for schools so they continue the "non child dwelling" building and they line the pockets of those doing the surveys. It is such as scam. It is so overcrowded. 10 years and our elementary school went from 2 open classrooms to 8 portables outside. People want to move to areas that have homes in normal spaces of 1/4 acre or more. Howard County has that.

Hi, new poster here. I only have preschool age kids so have not experienced MCPS yet. How do Rockville schools fare in the overcrowding department? Reading all these posts of overcrowded schools is making me nervous! I can say though that I do believe the DC area has so much more job opportunities than other areas such as NY/NJ/PA as well as more reasonable housing opportunities in some cases, so much of the growth is likely also just coming from other areas of the country who find the DC area to be a good place to live with more opportunities for their families. Anyway, being that I have not experienced the schools firsthand yet, I would love some input on how the Rockville schools are in terms of overcrowding. Is this an issue? Thats where my kids will be in school.

Depends on where in Rockville. Title 1/Focus schools have smaller class sizes. The rest are bursting at the seams. There is some expansion in ES going on - Barnsley is adding additional classrooms, RM cluster is supposed to add another ES in the next couple of years.

However, most people, myself included like Rockville. It's a good mix of SES and ethnicity.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo tax base has shifted from those who give to those who get. A majority of students now need, before care, after care, breakfast and lunch and that majority gets greater everyday. The economic sustainability of running a top flight school system has become an impossibility in MoCo. The test scores prove it. The "temporary" classrooms at every elementary school prove it. The handwriting was on the wall when Doug Duncan went to Central America 11 years ago, when CASA de MD became a huge force, when Martin O declared MD a sanctuary state. It will take decades, if ever, for economic stability. Until then, MCPS is headed south for the general student population.

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Casa De Maryland is as currupt as it gets.

I also love how MCPS takes away final exams, so not to show how poorly the county is meeting standards. Only 40% even passed the Algebra 1 exams. Just passed like above a 60%. For an "elite" county it is terrible.

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I am curious - why is this statistics newsworthy? Does this mean that Hispanics will no longer get the minority advantage at MCPS because they are majority? I am all for it. But surely we will still provide aid n based on household income and intervention based on language barrier. What more are Hispanics asking?

I am an Asian (Indian). I was concerned about the schools in the age of curriculum pre-2.0 as well as the current curriculum 2.0. So, as far as I am concerned, nothing has changed for me. More Hispanics/Blacks/While/Muslims/Jews/Chinese/Indians ....it does not matter to me.

What matters to me is that the schools provide the education and intervention to those who need it, and the schools allow opportunities for acceleration and provide rigor to those who need it.

I do not care about a ceiling on achievement and there should not be one. The question is can the schools raise the floor on the achievements? I feel that the school education sucks throughout USA. The college education on the other hand is still world class. Why is that? Maybe because college is not free and merit matters more than color or race - something the schools should think of following.

In other words, MCPS schools as compared to world class school system were always at a C-. For an legal immigrant who was educated in my 3rd world home country, the low standard in a world super power and affluent country was a shock. I don't particularly care if the schools become white or hispanic - from my point of view, MCPS was not delivering before and it will not deliver now. We need to concentrate our efforts on rising the standards of MCPS, and not worry about the color of the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

As a side note, I am curious how the demographics of Takoma Park will change in the upcoming years. There isn't really room to build more affordable housing (I'm not counting the new hipster-attracting development in the downtown area), and housing prices keep going up. It does attract higher-income, diverse families.

People that chose North Bethesda, Rockville, Gaithersburg, Clarksburg, etc... may not have wanted a walkable urban lifestyle but that is what is being shoved down everyone's throats. I know when I moved here 14yrs ago, it was to move to the SUBURBS. The growth in the area is absurd. High rise condo/apartments up and down 355. Gaithersburg used to be farmland and they are doing nothing but build build. And it isn't single family homes on 1/4 acre lots. It is mega mansions on 1/8 acre lot or rows of town homes or blocks of condos. An area that a normal suburb would have maybe 40 homes now has at least 100 homes. And the county continues to say apartment dwellers do not have school aged kids. So condos and apartments yield ZERO child growth when they attempt to figure out how many kids will be at a school in say 5 years. This is because the developers do not want to pay for schools so they continue the "non child dwelling" building and they line the pockets of those doing the surveys. It is such as scam. It is so overcrowded. 10 years and our elementary school went from 2 open classrooms to 8 portables outside. People want to move to areas that have homes in normal spaces of 1/4 acre or more. Howard County has that.

Hi, new poster here. I only have preschool age kids so have not experienced MCPS yet. How do Rockville schools fare in the overcrowding department? Reading all these posts of overcrowded schools is making me nervous! I can say though that I do believe the DC area has so much more job opportunities than other areas such as NY/NJ/PA as well as more reasonable housing opportunities in some cases, so much of the growth is likely also just coming from other areas of the country who find the DC area to be a good place to live with more opportunities for their families. Anyway, being that I have not experienced the schools firsthand yet, I would love some input on how the Rockville schools are in terms of overcrowding. Is this an issue? Thats where my kids will be in school.

Depends on where in Rockville. Title 1/Focus schools have smaller class sizes. The rest are bursting at the seams. There is some expansion in ES going on - Barnsley is adding additional classrooms, RM cluster is supposed to add another ES in the next couple of years.

However, most people, myself included like Rockville. It's a good mix of SES and ethnicity.

Thanks for your input. Do you know anything about Wood MS and Rockville HS in terms of crowding? How about Barnsley or Flower Valley elementary schoools? Thanks!

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^^You may want to start a new thread for your question or do a search.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is this person who keeps claiming white flight is going to Howard County. I've lived in DC on and off for 15 years, in the city and in the suburbs, and have never even met anyone who lives in Howard County let alone someone willing to do that commute. A handful of colleagues live in Anne Arundel County for specific school options, but this idea that a large number of Montgomery County residents will flee that far is unlikely.

Search the real estate thread for Howard County - many posts from people inquiring about Howard County as they consider it vs Mo Co for where to move to.

I don't doubt there are people who want to live in Howard County. What I doubt is that people who have actively chosen an urban, walkable, diverse, neighborhood like Takoma Park or Silver Spring are going to up and move 45 minutes away because they fear the coming Brown menace.

Know several people who have moved to Howard for the schools. They work in the White Oak area of MoCo and in the eastern section of the county. Some decide to live just over the line for the sake of the commute. A lot of the people aren't commuting from Howard to DC to work, they are commuting from Howard to Montgomery County to work, instead of living in Montgomery, because they work in the "have not" section of the county.

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Hi, new poster here. I only have preschool age kids so have not experienced MCPS yet. How do Rockville schools fare in the overcrowding department? Reading all these posts of overcrowded schools is making me nervous! I can say though that I do believe the DC area has so much more job opportunities than other areas such as NY/NJ/PA as well as more reasonable housing opportunities in some cases, so much of the growth is likely also just coming from other areas of the country who find the DC area to be a good place to live with more opportunities for their families. Anyway, being that I have not experienced the schools firsthand yet, I would love some input on how the Rockville schools are in terms of overcrowding. Is this an issue? Thats where my kids will be in school.

Depends on where in Rockville. Title 1/Focus schools have smaller class sizes. The rest are bursting at the seams. There is some expansion in ES going on - Barnsley is adding additional classrooms, RM cluster is supposed to add another ES in the next couple of years.

However, most people, myself included like Rockville. It's a good mix of SES and ethnicity.

Thanks for your input. Do you know anything about Wood MS and Rockville HS in terms of crowding? How about Barnsley or Flower Valley elementary schoools? Thanks!

Start with here. It will give you a general idea of school size

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

I have heard good things about Barnsely. It houses the HGC which causes the student body size to be huge.

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Hi, new poster here. I only have preschool age kids so have not experienced MCPS yet. How do Rockville schools fare in the overcrowding department? Reading all these posts of overcrowded schools is making me nervous! I can say though that I do believe the DC area has so much more job opportunities than other areas such as NY/NJ/PA as well as more reasonable housing opportunities in some cases, so much of the growth is likely also just coming from other areas of the country who find the DC area to be a good place to live with more opportunities for their families. Anyway, being that I have not experienced the schools firsthand yet, I would love some input on how the Rockville schools are in terms of overcrowding. Is this an issue? Thats where my kids will be in school.

Depends on where in Rockville. Title 1/Focus schools have smaller class sizes. The rest are bursting at the seams. There is some expansion in ES going on - Barnsley is adding additional classrooms, RM cluster is supposed to add another ES in the next couple of years.

However, most people, myself included like Rockville. It's a good mix of SES and ethnicity.

Thanks for your input. Do you know anything about Wood MS and Rockville HS in terms of crowding? How about Barnsley or Flower Valley elementary schoools? Thanks!

Start with here. It will give you a general idea of school size

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/glance/

I have heard good things about Barnsely. It houses the HGC which causes the student body size to be huge.

Thanks! Very helpful link!

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Anonymous wrote:Very interesting

Yes the question is where are the young whites going in the area

Personally I think its a combo of

less marriage/kids overall, going to private, white flight to Howard

The hispanic population has nearly doubled in less than 15 years.

Something has to give here. The tax base is shrinking and costs are increasing its not sustainable

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There is no way this county can support the kind of development/growth that has been occurring. Something will have to give. Police forces, schools all need funding and when that goes down, the standard of living goes down.

Welcome to the third world.

Or PG County

Well to be honest PG County economic growth and standards of living has increased dramatically as "Blacks" moved into the county in the late 80's/early 90's def not DECREASED. Way more options in amenities & other things that did not exist before the influx, so your a little off on that assessment

The number of pay day loan and liquor stores to chose from is truly mind blowing.

Oh please the 5 communities in the inner beltway that you have never been in doesn't represent the whole county. There were no Whole Foods, Harris Teters, Wegmans, Bowie Town Centers, National Harbors, MGM's before the Black middle class moved in pre mid 1990's. Or are we pretending PG county was Orange County, CA before the influx of Blacks?

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Please--you be the one to tell the student of mine who has most recently arrived from Central America that he needs to be shipped back. His entire family is still there. He is living here with a distant relative he has never met. And he's 10.

He also has a stronger academic background than many of my students who only speak English and were born in the US. He will quickly surpass those students once he acquires English, and considering how strong his skills are--that won't be long.

But he's the problem with MCPS, according to you.

He's been through hell that you can't even imagine. No child should have to witness what he has.

Why are you and your children superior to this child who has more courage. drive and ambition than most children who were lucky enough to have been born here?

But let me guess--you're fine with it as long as children like him don't show up at your child's school???

My stomach hurts just thinking that people like you exist.

Not trying to be snarky but why did your student come here? His family is not here, he doesn't speak English, and you say that he was able to get a stronger academic background in his home country than kids here get.

https://news.vice.com/article/el-salvadors-young-people-are-killing-dying-and-running

Heartbreaking.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why so many people who immigrate to the US come to Montgomery County. Not to knock MoCo, but I can think of so many other places in this country that are more affordable, have less crime, and would be easier to transition to. Maybe there are more resources for the Hispanic community; I don't know... But MoCo is pricey and not an easy place to move to.

I guess you haven't heard of the corrupt Casa De Maryland? That is why illegal immigration is #2 in Montgomery County, MD right after Los Angeles County, CA.

Yep and our schools will be like LA's too if this Council doesn't wake up. The only thing they are afraid of is angry voters and term limits.

Just saying that today. Everyone will move or go private. Geez, I was shocked NW DC schools are more segregated by race/SES than Bethesda's!

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder why so many people who immigrate to the US come to Montgomery County. Not to knock MoCo, but I can think of so many other places in this country that are more affordable, have less crime, and would be easier to transition to. Maybe there are more resources for the Hispanic community; I don't know... But MoCo is pricey and not an easy place to move to.

I guess you haven't heard of the corrupt Casa De Maryland? That is why illegal immigration is #2 in Montgomery County, MD right after Los Angeles County, CA.

Yep and our schools will be like LA's too if this Council doesn't wake up. The only thing they are afraid of is angry voters and term limits.

This is such bollocks. MoCo is not #2 in the number of illegal immigrants. Counties in AZ, CA, TX, etc.. have way more than MoCo. Even Fairfax VA has more illegal immigrants than Moco. Get your facts straight. I'm from CA, btw, grew up in LA.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/programs/us-immigration-policy-program-data-hub/unauthorized-immigrant-population-profiles

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2016/03/28/states-with-the-most-undocumented-immigrants/

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Anonymous wrote:Am I the only person that still has faith in MCPS?

Yes. You haven't spoken to any MCPS officials lately, have you? It is truly frightening.

Please share.

Get involved. Go to meetings. Ask them questions about your school's population forecasts. It is a MESS.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS has had its best days. If they understood, the W school districts would succeed from the rest to avoid over taxation to support the Eastern part of the county.

We looked into it. MoCo will never let us go. Soon it will be all very wealthy and very poor like most big cities. They are chasing middle class out.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it true that schools on the east side are going down (and by contrast W schools are staying the same or getting better), as many people are asserting? The east side schools by us all had Great School scores go up. I know people on this board seem to place lots of importance on those scores. I actually see more gentrification in Silver Spring, for example.

Great Schools is BS. Pull up the school system "at-a-glance" numbers.