Why do Rs hate the LGBTQ community?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

Well Maryland tried to do that, and the wackjobs objected, and a panel of hair shirt wearing extreme Catholics agreed. A child cannot be forced to learn to treat other people with respect in a public school if their religion says they should stone those people for displeasing their sky fairy.

No, Maryland tried to teach that gender is a “guess” and tried to unconstitutionally contradict parental teachings on the definition of marriage in elementary classrooms.

Gender expression discussions don’t belong in a classroom. Those are adult conversations.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

No one is cleaning the Maryland teachers were gay! That doesn’t mean indoctrination wasn’t taking place in the school, it absolutely was.

Then who was? The other kids? The guidance counselor? The principal? Music teacher? PE teacher?

The teachers were indoctrinating but they aren’t gay. Just liberal.

There goes the projection again. It’s all the religious conservatives know. What normal human would actually believe the nonsense spewed by most religions unless they were indoctrinated hard and young? Indoctrination is all they have when they’re certainly not winning on intelligence and reason.

A teacher telling a child that a person’s sex is a guess is quasi religious nonsense that has no place in the classroom.

Gender is a guess. And unless you have a DNA panel, sex is too. Sorry if that doesn’t jive with your world view, your God was a lot more complex a creator than you give him credit for.

Keep telling yourself that. But keep your unscientific opinion out of schools.

Friend, I don’t know what to tell you. But I can say humanity has come a long way since some guys wearing dresses wrote up what a flaming bush told them.

OP, when you ask where the backlash is coming from, see example A above.

You mean the people who think their religious beliefs belong as government rules and laws to dictate everyone else's life? F them.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

Well Maryland tried to do that, and the wackjobs objected, and a panel of hair shirt wearing extreme Catholics agreed. A child cannot be forced to learn to treat other people with respect in a public school if their religion says they should stone those people for displeasing their sky fairy.

No, Maryland tried to teach that gender is a “guess” and tried to unconstitutionally contradict parental teachings on the definition of marriage in elementary classrooms.

Gender expression discussions don’t belong in a classroom. Those are adult conversations.

Please explain in detail why gender expression is an "adult" conversation. I get that you are afraid of sex, as in the act, but why is gender *expression* "adult". Gender expression is separate from sexual preference. What exactly do you think gender expression is?

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As a teacher I’m not reading books anymore. Some parent may not agree with the book. The classroom library I had is gone. I’m not even sure if all the Elephant and Piggie books are OK. They talk about cross species animals being friends and loving each other. It could be bad. Curious George? Out too- the farmers go after George (an immigrant) who stole something. Nope, only those county approved books are allowed and your kids don’t get the classroom books anymore.

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PS- the county doesn’t really give us enough books to have as read alouds. They only give about 20-30 for the year and now that is all the kids have.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

It's self hatred. Many of them are closeted and believe the hateful things they were taught in the context of their religion.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

No one is cleaning the Maryland teachers were gay! That doesn’t mean indoctrination wasn’t taking place in the school, it absolutely was.

Then who was? The other kids? The guidance counselor? The principal? Music teacher? PE teacher?

The teachers were indoctrinating but they aren’t gay. Just liberal.

There goes the projection again. It’s all the religious conservatives know. What normal human would actually believe the nonsense spewed by most religions unless they were indoctrinated hard and young? Indoctrination is all they have when they’re certainly not winning on intelligence and reason.

A teacher telling a child that a person’s sex is a guess is quasi religious nonsense that has no place in the classroom.

Gender is a guess. And unless you have a DNA panel, sex is too. Sorry if that doesn’t jive with your world view, your God was a lot more complex a creator than you give him credit for.

It is your opinion that gender is a guess. It is not a fact. Your opinion should not be taught as fact in schools.

Tell me what gender is. Should be pretty easy. Go.

It’s the name we ascribe to the sex of different animals. A mare is a female horse, a drake is a male duck and a man is a male human.

You’re welcome.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

Well Maryland tried to do that, and the wackjobs objected, and a panel of hair shirt wearing extreme Catholics agreed. A child cannot be forced to learn to treat other people with respect in a public school if their religion says they should stone those people for displeasing their sky fairy.

No, Maryland tried to teach that gender is a “guess” and tried to unconstitutionally contradict parental teachings on the definition of marriage in elementary classrooms.

Gender expression discussions don’t belong in a classroom. Those are adult conversations.

Please explain in detail why gender expression is an "adult" conversation. I get that you are afraid of sex, as in the act, but why is gender *expression* "adult". Gender expression is separate from sexual preference. What exactly do you think gender expression is?

NP. Why does "gender expression" need to be discussed at all? By anyone, adult or child, in any circumstance?

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

Over 2 billion Muslims throughout the world would disagree with you.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

Well Maryland tried to do that, and the wackjobs objected, and a panel of hair shirt wearing extreme Catholics agreed. A child cannot be forced to learn to treat other people with respect in a public school if their religion says they should stone those people for displeasing their sky fairy.

No, Maryland tried to teach that gender is a “guess” and tried to unconstitutionally contradict parental teachings on the definition of marriage in elementary classrooms.

Gender expression discussions don’t belong in a classroom. Those are adult conversations.

Please explain in detail why gender expression is an "adult" conversation. I get that you are afraid of sex, as in the act, but why is gender *expression* "adult". Gender expression is separate from sexual preference. What exactly do you think gender expression is?

Gender expression is either: sex stereotypes or sex appropriation. Neither belongs in the classroom with young children.

Hope that helps.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I’m not reading books anymore. Some parent may not agree with the book. The classroom library I had is gone. I’m not even sure if all the Elephant and Piggie books are OK. They talk about cross species animals being friends and loving each other. It could be bad. Curious George? Out too- the farmers go after George (an immigrant) who stole something. Nope, only those county approved books are allowed and your kids don’t get the classroom books anymore.

Oh no, not that. And George is a freaking monkey not an immigrant.

Jesus, I can’t believe the bottom of barrel we get for teachers.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I’m not reading books anymore. Some parent may not agree with the book. The classroom library I had is gone. I’m not even sure if all the Elephant and Piggie books are OK. They talk about cross species animals being friends and loving each other. It could be bad. Curious George? Out too- the farmers go after George (an immigrant) who stole something. Nope, only those county approved books are allowed and your kids don’t get the classroom books anymore.

Oh no, not that. And George is a freaking monkey not an immigrant.

Jesus, I can’t believe the bottom of barrel we get for teachers.

+1. Hate to say it, but yeah.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t understand why they are doing everything they can to make them invisible and strip them of rights. Help me understand. Don’t give me Bible BS. There are plenty of other things in the Bible we don’t permit like polygamy.

Because a) they believe being LBGTQ is a choice on some level b) they’re afraid of their kids being LGBTQ and so they want all references removed out of fear their child will be “convinced.”

And it’s their right to believe that. So leave other parents alone. Raise your kids the way you want but you don’t get to force your beliefs on other people’s kids at taxpayer funded schools without an opt out.

Key word there— belief.

One day someone will sue their school district because they smoke and the health teacher dared to say smoking causes cancer and little Larla is traumatized and went home crying begging for her parents to stop smoking. And they don’t believe smoking always causes cancer because they go to the gym and feel just fine and nana and George Burns smoked and lived until 100.

No. Religions don't take much of a stance on smoking or the origins of cancer. Culturally, smoking has been more or less common worldwide. It's not the same. I know OP doesnt want to talk about religion. But it's impossible not to, when religion has shaped our culture for thousands of years.

Religion has shaped our country for the worse. Christians have caused untold amounts of suffering throughout the entire existence of the religion. Religion is at the root of every societal injustice in out history. From slavery to genocide of the indigenous populations to woman’s suffrage there were the christian’s trying to stand in the way. Just leave us alone already.

I wouldn't want my children taught lgbtq+ indoctrination either. And it has nothing to do with religion.

OP here. I have known many gay people in my life. I have never known one who wanted to indoctrinate me.

No one is cleaning the Maryland teachers were gay! That doesn’t mean indoctrination wasn’t taking place in the school, it absolutely was.

Then who was? The other kids? The guidance counselor? The principal? Music teacher? PE teacher?

The teachers were indoctrinating but they aren’t gay. Just liberal.

There goes the projection again. It’s all the religious conservatives know. What normal human would actually believe the nonsense spewed by most religions unless they were indoctrinated hard and young? Indoctrination is all they have when they’re certainly not winning on intelligence and reason.

A teacher telling a child that a person’s sex is a guess is quasi religious nonsense that has no place in the classroom.

Gender is a guess. And unless you have a DNA panel, sex is too. Sorry if that doesn’t jive with your world view, your God was a lot more complex a creator than you give him credit for.

Keep telling yourself that. But keep your unscientific opinion out of schools.

Friend, I don’t know what to tell you. But I can say humanity has come a long way since some guys wearing dresses wrote up what a flaming bush told them.

OP, when you ask where the backlash is coming from, see example A above.

You mean the people who think their religious beliefs belong as government rules and laws to dictate everyone else's life? F them.

The parents were not demanding that Islam be taught in the school. Maryland was watching that gender is a “guess” and that their religious views on marriage were wrong.

You have completely flipped the fact pattern in this court case but we aren’t buying it.

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Anonymous wrote:As a teacher I’m not reading books anymore. Some parent may not agree with the book. The classroom library I had is gone. I’m not even sure if all the Elephant and Piggie books are OK. They talk about cross species animals being friends and loving each other. It could be bad. Curious George? Out too- the farmers go after George (an immigrant) who stole something. Nope, only those county approved books are allowed and your kids don’t get the classroom books anymore.

Oh no, not that. And George is a freaking monkey not an immigrant.

Jesus, I can’t believe the bottom of barrel we get for teachers.

Speaking of bottom of the barrel, you should see the parents. Very easily offended by everything.

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Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile 50% of American school children read, write and do math at a level four grades below the grade they are in.

Good times.

Don't muddy the waters with facts, logic and reason.

Or how about don’t change the subject. Just go ahead and admit you are a culture warrior.

How is it changing the subject to acknowledge that as schools keep trying to teach about gender and sexuality issues, our international test scores in math and reading and science have fallen plummeted? There are only so many hours in the school day for instruction.

OP here - agree. I don’t care if a word problem says Dan and Matt have $50 to spend on gas to get them to Philly for their nephews bar mitzvah. It costs $6 a gallon. How much will it cost to get there?


That doesn’t require a sexuality discussion. It’s just what you might see in society. It’s a fact.

Math teacher here. I posted on the page before this. I don’t care about that either and am fine with your example. Where I have an issue is when people come into my room with pressure to hang up posters for pride month (when it’s not even June because we don’t have school in June) and to support other causes and then insinuate I’m MAGA or R because I don’t allow any hanging up of anything other than my own posters in my room. Like my content posters. This is what is happening in schools today.

Agree.

All those flags and decorations passed around are uncomfortable for everyone- most teachers, parents and students. No need for that at school.

In Wash DC the large international population really finds this all stupid and unnecessary. And the math expectations too low. So two way swing in the misguided USA schools.
Those are to two comments we always hear at IMF, world bank, IfC, the neighborhood and soccer games.

The rest of the civilized world isn’t as religious as we are. In America, we’re not too far off from the time where we burned uppity women and picnicked at the feet of black men lynched by preachers wearing sheets.

are you kidding me?

2 billion Muslims, 1.4 billion Catholics, and 1 million Christians in the world disagree with you.
That’s way more than any religious segment in America.

Plus it’s only America and some other western EU countries having this gender affirmation identity issue and projecting it onto minors before, during and after puberty. As if that time period is t bad enough now your school wants to you consider a sex change to tell better!

England and some away countries have already outlawed hormones and surgeries for minors.

Do you even live in DC? Or in a cave?

You must be living in a cave. Study after study has shown that America clings to the juvenile comfort that is religion more than any other “free” nation, and that belief is used to ostracize, bully, drive to suicide, and outright kill gay and trans kids.

We are also toxic AF about what we expect from both boys and girls. Girly boys get bullied all the time. Boyish girls get told to smile and get shut out from jobs and opportunities.

As a nation, we’re a lot closer to the mores and culture of Iran than we are to Britain. (Iran, by the way, condones gender reassignment as a cure for homosexuality. People choose surgery over death). Maybe if gender was no longer a matter of life and death, people wouldn’t fight so hard to change their outward appearance.

Just a thought.

You’re suggesting people pretend to be trans when really they are scared to be female or gay?!

No. But I’m saying it’s a lot easier on you as a trans person in America if you can get medical treatment to “pass”. America is highly resistant to difference and people can’t keep their mouths shut or their fists to themselves.

The answer is to push society to accept wide ranges of gender expression not to convince kids they need to transform their bodies with surgery and hormones!

Well Maryland tried to do that, and the wackjobs objected, and a panel of hair shirt wearing extreme Catholics agreed. A child cannot be forced to learn to treat other people with respect in a public school if their religion says they should stone those people for displeasing their sky fairy.

No, Maryland tried to teach that gender is a “guess” and tried to unconstitutionally contradict parental teachings on the definition of marriage in elementary classrooms.

Gender expression discussions don’t belong in a classroom. Those are adult conversations.

Please explain in detail why gender expression is an "adult" conversation. I get that you are afraid of sex, as in the act, but why is gender *expression* "adult". Gender expression is separate from sexual preference. What exactly do you think gender expression is?

The idea that someone’s gender identity conflicts with their biological sex or that someone can change their sex are quasi religious opinions not fact. This involves moral and religious questions that are for the parent to introduce and teach in the family. In addition children that are going through the hardships of puberty and hormones deserve to have that difficulty acknowledged without introducing the idea that maybe what they are experiencing is gender dysphoria, a rare condition highly unlikely to be the cause of their anxiety.