Would you really leave America if Trump/Musk are scaring you?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

This is true and is only getting worse.

Now if you’re an American and a POC then you will be fine in most of Western Europe.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

This is true and is only getting worse.

Now if you’re an American and a POC then you will be fine in most of Western Europe.

Yeah we currently live in Europe in a country that historically very friendly to Americans, but unfortunately things are changing fast. We can’t escape the consequences of our government’s drastic changes in foreign policy.

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As a Canadian I was surprised at how fast he turned on us, ripping up trade agreements, and surprised at all the negative comments I hear from Americans that actively hate us. And people wonder how Hitler got into power.

The only thing that will rile up most privileged Americans will be when they come after your SSRIs.

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Anonymous wrote:The ones with the means to leave aren't that worried and those what are worried enough lack the means to leave.

+1 most Americans do not qualify for another citizenship or have a high level skill that makes it easy to leave.

Where are the skilled workers going to go willingly? They have to accept a steep salary cut.

It's worth it to live in a country with socialized health care and decent public transportation.

Lower salary, higher quality of life.

No worries that someone with an AR15 is going to murder your children in their kindergarden classroom. I'm sure banning psychiatric medications will help with that though.

Do you actively worry about that? You're more likely to die in a car accident, frankly.

In Europe there have been knife attacks, shootings, vehicles ramming pedestrians, explosions, etc all in very democratic countries like Sweden, Germany, Netherlands, and Austria. Sweden totally failed to integrate the thousands of refugees they accepted from MENA. Look at their sexual assault rates. There were 30 gang-related bombings in January in the Stockholm area.

There's a reason Alternative für Deutschland has gotten popular in Germany. Weak economy, frustration with migration -- very similar problems to the US. Things feel bleak for the younger generation. You will not be able to insulate yourself from populism.

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Anonymous wrote:We are likely leaving. We qualify for European citizenship and hired a law firm to do the paperwork. Also qualify for another country but that is a bit harder, still doing it. My dad didn't flee a dictatorship with nothing but his toothbrush for his grandchildren to grow up in a fascist state.

same situation- parents fled a dictatorship but that is our back up option and is very much a failed state. b/c of our background my parents were super patriotic and i love the us and all it stood for. its also weird- like who/what is america? we are currently expats and should i be teachng my kids the old stuff like the declaration, bill of rights, checks and balances?? the intl school they go to treaches a lot of us history and i wonder how they will change the curriculum?? i mean we are cozying up to bric now?? if we are throwing marbury vs. madison should i even bother harrassing my kids to learn any of this stuff- it will all be outdated? we arent super liberal, i guess democrats are the conservatives now in that we want to conserve the constitution and dont want to move fast & break stuff (the stuff is the usa!)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:For those of you who have the option-what is the line? The moment you say “this is it.” I’m wondering about people who are first or second generation immigrants. How do you weigh your home countries’ issues with potentially living in a fascist state?

We will leave if freedom of the press is restricted or there are limits to free speech for Americans. If we reach a point where the military is using force on protestors, or people are being sent "away", however you want to define that, for being dissidents then we are on the first flight out of here.

That is coming.

It's step six in Curtis Yarvin's plan.

This is one of the most concerning steps

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

Do you honestly think the moves this administration is making will be good for you financially or for national security? Serious question.

Yes. I already feel safer now that the border is closed and criminals are being removed. His economic policies will take time to erase the damage of Biden, but cutting wasteful spending, eliminating the bloated government bureaucracy, reducing regulations and extending his tax cuts will be good for the country.

So funny you are just the same person spouting I love the dictator so much....take my freedoms dump.

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Anonymous wrote:No, I'm actually returning to the US. Despite everything, the US is still one of the best places in the world for skilled work. I hit a dead end here. Economically, Europe has been struggling.

Don't let the 'liberal' mindset fool you.
Culturally, it's very xenophobic even if you speak the local language. People are racist and closed-minded here, especially towards foreigners. Integration is hard.

Yes, some places are safer, but a lot of these countries have real issues too.

This +100 - grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Yes. In much of Europe, they really do not like Americans.

This is true and is only getting worse.

Now if you’re an American and a POC then you will be fine in most of Western Europe.

WHAT? This is a joke, right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

+1

LOL sure

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Yes. DH is from the UK and thank god I got UK and US passports for our DD’s after they were born.

We are already talking about listing our house (we jusy bought a year ago) and getting the hell out of here. (I’m POC)

[Anonymous]

Initially, we will stay and fight but our kids (in their 20s) are looking for jobs overseas. I’m about to get EU citizenship and can take my partner with me so if/when things get very bad we’ll leave.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

Do you honestly think the moves this administration is making will be good for you financially or for national security? Serious question.

Yes. I already feel safer now that the border is closed and criminals are being removed. His economic policies will take time to erase the damage of Biden, but cutting wasteful spending, eliminating the bloated government bureaucracy, reducing regulations and extending his tax cuts will be good for the country.

What do you mean by “the country”? Tax cuts and reducing regulations will be good for businesses and the 1%, but terrible for the 99%, aka everybody else, who will see their taxes go up to pay for it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but how?

The only thing I can think is buy property in Scotland and take a boat over, then figure out a visa path

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve thought about leaving. Not because of Trump/Musk, but because liberals are destroying this country. Trump and Musk have actually given me hope for the future of my family.

Do you honestly think the moves this administration is making will be good for you financially or for national security? Serious question.

Yes. I already feel safer now that the border is closed and criminals are being removed. His economic policies will take time to erase the damage of Biden, but cutting wasteful spending, eliminating the bloated government bureaucracy, reducing regulations and extending his tax cuts will be good for the country.

What do you mean by “the country”? Tax cuts and reducing regulations will be good for businesses and the 1%, but terrible for the 99%, aka everybody else, who will see their taxes go up to pay for it.

Companies do want regulations nationally so they can adhere to one set of rules rather than 50 individual ones. But the bigger point is, what specific regulations are curbing business? Seems like corporations are generally doing pretty darned well in the US.