Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I have not read through this entire thread so I expect that OP has already been excoriated not for her myopia, but her naivete. (And I'm being kind.)

OP, there is such a thing as legal immigration and there is such a thing as border invasion by millions of people who blatantly disregard our laws and just move in. Pretend someone did that to your house and tell us how you'd feel.

Fear mongering idiocy

/\/\ Says someone who has no clue about public schools in non-wealthy areas with the majority of students learning English as a 2nd language.

Oh I would love to show you where my children attend public school. We are not wealthy and my children’s’ school is highly diverse. But you go on assuming

I'm sure the measures of student achievement are going up, up, up, just like they're going down, down, down in Fairfax County.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Spread across? How about elementary schools with 75 to 90% of their students identified as ELL or ESOL?

I am telling you how my school system runs. They have handled the students. I suspect you don’t live in this school district you’re claiming is so harmed by immigrants. But you’ve read about it from your basement and want to scream about it on the internet

Woodburn elementary into Jackson middle school is a nightmare. Fairfax country. Child been there since kindergarten. They for sure can’t handle it.

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I think you can figure this all out op. Think really, really hard. We didn't need a thread on this.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Some of us absolutely do understand how incapable the school system is in handling this well. We should not be responsible for educating citizens of other countries.

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Op, have you been in a coma for the last 15 years?

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Anonymous wrote:Op, have you been in a coma for the last 15 years?

Nah, just know republican fear mongering crap.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Some of us absolutely do understand how incapable the school system is in handling this well. We should not be responsible for educating citizens of other countries.

I doubt you even have a kid in school

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Anonymous wrote:I think you can figure this all out op. Think really, really hard. We didn't need a thread on this.

This is like Willie Horton 2024

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Anonymous wrote:I've been paying attention and immigration is not one of my top concerns. It's a huge issue in the race because Trump and his team know it's divisive and have therefore villainized immigrants and his base loves it.

This is the correct answer

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Some of us absolutely do understand how incapable the school system is in handling this well. We should not be responsible for educating citizens of other countries.

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The PP no doubt either doesn't have kids, has kids who are now adults and never experienced this, or has kids in private school. Anyone with kids in most public schools has seen the influx. Enough.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Some of us absolutely do understand how incapable the school system is in handling this well. We should not be responsible for educating citizens of other countries.

I doubt you even have a kid in school

I have multiple kids in public school. I doubt you have any school aged if this drain on the system surprises you.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you can figure this all out op. Think really, really hard. We didn't need a thread on this.

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The left really loves to gaslight this issue. First, the border was "secure." Then, there was "no border crisis." Once Democrats could no longer keep the obvious from the entire world, Biden decided he could actually sign an EO and lo and behold, numbers went down. That he didn't sign that EO years ago is his shameful legacy. And yet, Democrats continue to gaslight. "No issues at the border, what are you talking about?!"

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Anonymous wrote:I think you can figure this all out op. Think really, really hard. We didn't need a thread on this.

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The left really loves to gaslight this issue. First, the border was "secure." Then, there was "no border crisis." Once Democrats could no longer keep the obvious from the entire world, Biden decided he could actually sign an EO and lo and behold, numbers went down. That he didn't sign that EO years ago is his shameful legacy. And yet, Democrats continue to gaslight. "No issues at the border, what are you talking about?!"

Biden and Harris deliberately opened the border when they signed executive orders repealing Trump policies. They sent the message to human traffickers and economic migrants that the border was open. After undoing every border security measure for over three years, they have the nerve to blame Trump for their deliberate open borders policies, because their lousy border bill didn’t pass. They could have signed the executive order years ago instead of six months before an election. They are insulting people’s intelligence with their gaslighting over the border crisis. I voted for Trump the other day because of this unchecked immigration disaster. No country can sustain uncontrolled mass migration. And I believe that’s what we would continue see in a Harris administration.

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Anonymous wrote:I think you can figure this all out op. Think really, really hard. We didn't need a thread on this.

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The left really loves to gaslight this issue. First, the border was "secure." Then, there was "no border crisis." Once Democrats could no longer keep the obvious from the entire world, Biden decided he could actually sign an EO and lo and behold, numbers went down. That he didn't sign that EO years ago is his shameful legacy. And yet, Democrats continue to gaslight. "No issues at the border, what are you talking about?!"

Biden and Harris deliberately opened the border when they signed executive orders repealing Trump policies. They sent the message to human traffickers and economic migrants that the border was open. After undoing every border security measure for over three years, they have the nerve to blame Trump for their deliberate open borders policies, because their lousy border bill didn’t pass. They could have signed the executive order years ago instead of six months before an election. They are insulting people’s intelligence with their gaslighting over the border crisis. I voted for Trump the other day because of this unchecked immigration disaster. No country can sustain uncontrolled mass migration. And I believe that’s what we would continue see in a Harris administration.

Exactly. Democrats clearly think Americans are stupid. I'm no fan of Trump and almost considered voting for Harris, but I kept coming to the same conclusion you outlined. Harris may be talking (relatively) tough about the border while she campaigns, but if she wins, she'll just capitulate to the LWNJs in her party who want lax immigration laws. No thanks. Guess I'll be voting for Trump after all.

"Many (immigration) advocates say they are reluctant to level any criticism that could hurt Harris during the election, even as they plan for an all-out fight to shape her policy afterward."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/immigration-advocates-keep-quiet-as-harris-talks-tough-on-border/ar-AA1rMz7A?ocid=BingNewsSerp

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I will tell you about the changes I see first hand. Not sure they are caused by “illegals” as most immigration is semi legal now - asylum, tps and such, but low skilled and high needs.
- trash everywhere
- crazy driving
- long wait times for benefits (I help ppl apply)
- impossible to sign up for free English classes, long waitlists
- everything is translated into Spanish
I don’t care if it’s legal or illegal it needs to stop