Immigration - how is it such a huge issue in this race?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop lying about the local schools. All the VA, MD, and DC schools are the same as or better than at anytime in the past decade. Immigrants and kids from other US states have been moving here continually for 50 years and it has never been a problem for your darling white princes and princesses. Stop demonizing children and stop using your own children as political props for disinformation.

Demonstrably no. Mount Vernon as an example: their average SAT scores have dropped 52 points from their highs.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop lying about the local schools. All the VA, MD, and DC schools are the same as or better than at anytime in the past decade. Immigrants and kids from other US states have been moving here continually for 50 years and it has never been a problem for your darling white princes and princesses. Stop demonizing children and stop using your own children as political props for disinformation.

Demonstrably no. Mount Vernon as an example: their average SAT scores have dropped 52 points from their highs.

My favorite is in 2022 the gang fight among illegal, gang kids at Bradlee shopping center after school that resulted in a death and the high school (ACHS) closing for the remainder of the year.

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I haven’t read the entire thread but no one can truly believe the large number of undocumented immigrants is not an issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop lying about the local schools. All the VA, MD, and DC schools are the same as or better than at anytime in the past decade. Immigrants and kids from other US states have been moving here continually for 50 years and it has never been a problem for your darling white princes and princesses. Stop demonizing children and stop using your own children as political props for disinformation.

Agreed... The bigger issue is the democrat propaganda in schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I have not read through this entire thread so I expect that OP has already been excoriated not for her myopia, but her naivete. (And I'm being kind.)

OP, there is such a thing as legal immigration and there is such a thing as border invasion by millions of people who blatantly disregard our laws and just move in. Pretend someone did that to your house and tell us how you'd feel.

Fear mongering idiocy

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t be ridiculous. Of course Americans are upset about immigration. Parents don’t want their schools overcrowded from illegal immigration.

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And to the OP - the issue is ILLEGAL immigration.

Stop gaslighting. You don’t want any more brown or Black people, legal or not, in your neighborhood, town, county, state, or country. Stop using your kids as political pawns for your bigotry. Kids don’t have a problem with new or different kids, unless their parents force them to. I say this as someone in 3rd grade in the South when our school was desegregated and as parent of 3 children who benefited from very diverse public schools. You guys are saying the same shit as every bigot in history.

I am a “brown” daughter of immigrants. I’m a Democrat and will be voting for Harris, but you’re being myopic if you think everyone concerned about the effects of the migrant crisis is concerned because they’re racist.

I live in NYC. The city is spending literally billions of dollars of taxpayer money on housing, feeding, and caring for migrants. NYC had to institute across the board cuts to all city programs and services to pay for this. The migrants are all over the subway and the sidewalks panhandling, often with children (who are not in school, and therefore may eventually become taxpayer liabilities as adults) in tow. And the kids who are in enrolled in school (as they should be) are consuming resources paid for by US citizen taxpayers, and because resources are finite, taking them from the children of US citizen taxpayers.

You might not personally care about this, but it’s insane for you not to realize or care that other people do. Maybe for the most hardened MAGA types it’s a question of racism, but not for everyone. Many Democrats are concerned too. And acting like this isn’t a problem is not going to help Democrats get elected.

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I’m the PP. What exactly do you think I’m lying about? The amount the city government is spending on migrants, and the corresponding cuts that had to be made to city services, is freely available information. The NYT has reported extensively on it. Eric Adams even stated it was a huge problem for the city. I’m not going to do your homework for you, but feel free to look it up. You can start with the ‘80s court order that requires NYC to house every person (regardless of citizenship or residency status) who requests a bed from the city, which has spread on social media and led many to come to NYC because they know they’ll be guaranteed housing. I’m not even against this policy as a general matter, but it’s clearly being exploited here. And who do you think is paying for it?

I ride the subway from the UES to my office in Midtown three days a week. I see the migrants panhandling (selling candy), often with small children with them, about 50% of the time. More when I take the subway recreationally to other places. I usually walk home, and I regularly see them (mom and child, or single young men, usually) camped out on sidewalks around Midtown. I actually feel bad for them on a human level and will try to give a bit of cash if I have it or buy them some food if I have time.

If you actually live in NYC, you have seen this. Doesn’t sound like you do.

Oh yes, you’re a liar and likely a troll. I very much live in NYC and you are lying and fear mongering. Yes, there will be maybe one person selling candy on a subway platform but that is hardly a crisis. NYC subways have always been filled with musicians and other peddlers. It’s normal and any true New Yorker thinks nothing of it. School age kids are in school. My children attend public and they are fine, business as usual. NYC has excellent public schools, that’s what some people outside of NY don’t fully appreciate. The NYT tracked a group of immigrant arrivals- within a year, all were settling in and contributing to their communities- one was running a soccer league, and on and on. Stop the nonsense. You’re not a true New Yorker if you claim there is some immigrant crisis affecting your everyday life. It’s just not true.

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Anonymous wrote:American is pitting immigrants against black and Latino voters. This is nothing but a repeat of slavery . . . Poor whites were pitted against slaves. Rinse and repeat.

It worked then and is working now.

I agree. Spending millions to house, feed and clothe foreigners and not saying a word about reparations, healthcare or overburdened schools will do that.

Do these guys have problems with legal, law abiding, hard working, educated, skilled, affluent, tax paying immigrants as well or are you okay with them?

Of course not. Ask yourself who is conflating the two.

+1 affluent migrants are paying their own way. Not so for ones coming in illegally.

And now there is a story out today about how they're using a loophole in Medicaid to get benefits even without papers. It's infuriating.

A lot of illegal aliens are working and paying their rent and bills. But we have some stupid laws on the books for example where we don't let asylum seekers work and earn their own keep while awaiting adjudication. The Bipartisan Border Bill would have helped fix a lot of that but Trump killed it.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I have not read through this entire thread so I expect that OP has already been excoriated not for her myopia, but her naivete. (And I'm being kind.)

OP, there is such a thing as legal immigration and there is such a thing as border invasion by millions of people who blatantly disregard our laws and just move in. Pretend someone did that to your house and tell us how you'd feel.

Fear mongering idiocy

/\/\ Says someone who has no clue about public schools in non-wealthy areas with the majority of students learning English as a 2nd language.

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Anonymous wrote:American is pitting immigrants against black and Latino voters. This is nothing but a repeat of slavery . . . Poor whites were pitted against slaves. Rinse and repeat.

It worked then and is working now.

I agree. Spending millions to house, feed and clothe foreigners and not saying a word about reparations, healthcare or overburdened schools will do that.

Do these guys have problems with legal, law abiding, hard working, educated, skilled, affluent, tax paying immigrants as well or are you okay with them?

Of course not. Ask yourself who is conflating the two.

+1 affluent migrants are paying their own way. Not so for ones coming in illegally.

And now there is a story out today about how they're using a loophole in Medicaid to get benefits even without papers. It's infuriating.

A lot of illegal aliens are working and paying their rent and bills. But we have some stupid laws on the books for example where we don't let asylum seekers work and earn their own keep while awaiting adjudication. The Bipartisan Border Bill would have helped fix a lot of that but Trump killed it.

A lot? Basically all are. Let’s be honest. These people are some of the hardest working grittiest workers there are. Any small business owner in a service industry will tell you that immigrants (let’s assume legal ones) make excellent employees.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Spread across? How about elementary schools with 75 to 90% of their students identified as ELL or ESOL?

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Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I have not read through this entire thread so I expect that OP has already been excoriated not for her myopia, but her naivete. (And I'm being kind.)

OP, there is such a thing as legal immigration and there is such a thing as border invasion by millions of people who blatantly disregard our laws and just move in. Pretend someone did that to your house and tell us how you'd feel.

Fear mongering idiocy

/\/\ Says someone who has no clue about public schools in non-wealthy areas with the majority of students learning English as a 2nd language.

Oh I would love to show you where my children attend public school. We are not wealthy and my children’s’ school is highly diverse. But you go on assuming

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Spread across? How about elementary schools with 75 to 90% of their students identified as ELL or ESOL?

I am telling you how my school system runs. They have handled the students. I suspect you don’t live in this school district you’re claiming is so harmed by immigrants. But you’ve read about it from your basement and want to scream about it on the internet

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Apologies if there’s another thread on this…

But really? It seems like people I know who are not particularly affected by this issue are focused on it as a deciding factor in the election. It’s immigration, immigration, immigration.

Is immigration that terrible for our country? In my world at least, the most obvious related issue I see is that small businesses don’t have enough labor. So immigration is a good thing.

Maybe I’m myopic. Can someone please explain?

I have not read through this entire thread so I expect that OP has already been excoriated not for her myopia, but her naivete. (And I'm being kind.)

OP, there is such a thing as legal immigration and there is such a thing as border invasion by millions of people who blatantly disregard our laws and just move in. Pretend someone did that to your house and tell us how you'd feel.

Fear mongering idiocy

/\/\ Says someone who has no clue about public schools in non-wealthy areas with the majority of students learning English as a 2nd language.

Oh I would love to show you where my children attend public school. We are not wealthy and my children’s’ school is highly diverse. But you go on assuming

PP here. If your elementary school has greater than 75% of the students learning English as a seccond language, then you are mistaken or inredibly naive to say there's no significant impact on classroom instruction.

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Anonymous wrote:No, it's because as pp said resources are finite. We've seen this first hand. When your kids are in a school where poverty has grown to over 60% free lunch in less than 10 yrs, the school starts scaling back.
Ex. Your child is reading below grade level or you suspect an issue you are told all is fine. That's because there are so many children at the school who are either doing worse or who are new arrivals and cannot read at all.

Yikes. This hits home in FCPS.

come to Sterling Middle school and see what Democrat policies have done to the middle class. Title one school , gangs, kids without parents, kids cant speak English.

and Democratic politicians are NEVER seen there. Warner, Kaine, Conelly never seen or helping.

When they don't visit the schools or see firsthand what's happening, they can pretend problems don't exist.

My children attend public schools in a city people claim is ‘overrun’ with immigrants. No issues for my kids.

As I think you would know, schools can vary greatly within a city or school system-- even schools within a couple of miles of each other. Do your children attend a public school in which 75+ % of the students are identified as learning English as a second language and possibly Title 1 as well?

These children are spread across schools. I don’t think you understand how capable the school system is. An influx of a relatively small percentage of children is not going to break it. It is pure propaganda to make it seem like it’s a ‘crisis’ for everyone. Is it an important issue? Sure. Is it a crisis ? Nope

Spread across? How about elementary schools with 75 to 90% of their students identified as ELL or ESOL?

I am telling you how my school system runs. They have handled the students. I suspect you don’t live in this school district you’re claiming is so harmed by immigrants. But you’ve read about it from your basement and want to scream about it on the internet

I teach and evaluate students in a highly regarded public school system in Georgia.