Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

That's wonderful but many grandparents are still working, many are infirm, many kids have moved far from home so the grandparents aren't there to help, my own parents have a little of both - my father is still working and my mother has a debilitating disease that would make it impossible for her to have helped even if the kids were still close by enough for them to help to the degree that daycare wouldn't have been necessary.

But it's nice that you've figured out all the secrets to life.

I think it would be a really nice policy to mandate for a one year sabbatical for any person who wants to take care of any other person- whether it is a child, parent, grandchild, partner, or even a friend.

Imagine how many people that would help, how many people wouldn’t be alone at the end of their lives, how many children would have a loving caregiver, how many unmarried people could have care from someone who loves them.

Still waiting for Republicans to propose this!

I assume you mean a paid sabbatical because there's not ma pnyeople to go one year without wages.
But honestly if we could just start with like women who actually give childbirth and have to recover from it and have a postpartum. First that would be really f****** great.
Because right now we have men who get paternity leave which is all well and good but there's no requirement for actual paid leave for women to recover from childbirth.
So in my opinion we're all skipping a lot of bunch of f****** steps and yet again this all sounds nice but the idea of giving a one-year sabbatical to grandparents but not giving any paid leave to women who actually do the child bearing is just the f****** middle finger.

[Anonymous]

Ugly incels like him legitimately hate women because they never got laid in their teens and 20s. They never get over it. But most keep their dark commentary private or on incel forums, while Vance goes mask off publicly because he’s a white trash idiot hick at heart who became famous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ugly incels like him legitimately hate women because they never got laid in their teens and 20s. They never get over it. But most keep their dark commentary private or on incel forums, while Vance goes mask off publicly because he’s a white trash idiot hick at heart who became famous.

You jealous? His stock portfolio alone shows he’s got the brains to succeed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugly incels like him legitimately hate women because they never got laid in their teens and 20s. They never get over it. But most keep their dark commentary private or on incel forums, while Vance goes mask off publicly because he’s a white trash idiot hick at heart who became famous.

You jealous? His stock portfolio alone shows he’s got the brains to succeed.

Ah, the "man of the people" with the big bouncy stock portfolio. Better shout that even louder, that's bound to work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between one’s personal views and policy views. Like personally I’d never have kids outside of marriage but I’m not trying to make it policy and dictate how everyone else lives. Personally I’m not sure if I’d have an abortion but I’m not trying to make sure no one else does either. Personally I’m not Christian but I’m out there saying my religion is better or that others should live their lives by it.

Republicans do all of this and that is why I will never never vote for one.

[Anonymous]

It's a Catch-22. I thought I had escaped the childless cat lady thing. But now I hear that because I did have children, I'm only valuable for taking care of my (so far, hypothetical) grandchildren. Woe is me, I guess, if my kids decide not to procreate.

GTFO

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's a Catch-22. I thought I had escaped the childless cat lady thing. But now I hear that because I did have children, I'm only valuable for taking care of my (so far, hypothetical) grandchildren. Woe is me, I guess, if my kids decide not to procreate.

GTFO

No worries, there are still some ice floes left out there!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

Hey PP how do you know that the people you are citing are Democrats (which you are implying)? Those posts you are talking about are on the non-political forums and those posters are not identifying their party membership.

Also those posters are not advocating for policies anyway, are they? They are making their own personal observations and opinions about their own little worlds. Get back to us when they are pushing for new laws and policies that say "mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids" (sounds like a Republican to me to be honest) and so forth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ugly incels like him legitimately hate women because they never got laid in their teens and 20s. They never get over it. But most keep their dark commentary private or on incel forums, while Vance goes mask off publicly because he’s a white trash idiot hick at heart who became famous.

You jealous? His stock portfolio alone shows he’s got the brains to succeed.

Yes we’re all jealous we’re not degenerate Peter Thiel’s lapdog.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America is suffering from an epidemic of fat, ugly, mean spirited misogynists and it makes me wish we had a hot war going. Men like Vance forget that significant proportions of men were typically wiped out in wars and cannon fodder was historically the main use of lower class men of peasant stock like him. This age in which the local idiot has the luxury of an internet connection and can sit around spewing hatred about women is no good.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between one’s personal views and policy views. Like personally I’d never have kids outside of marriage but I’m not trying to make it policy and dictate how everyone else lives. Personally I’m not sure if I’d have an abortion but I’m not trying to make sure no one else does either. Personally I’m not Christian but I’m out there saying my religion is better or that others should live their lives by it.

Republicans do all of this and that is why I will never never vote for one.

I'm sorry you don't understand that many people don't have a problem with this policy including a large number of DCUm posters whose outrage is performative

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

Hey PP how do you know that the people you are citing are Democrats (which you are implying)? Those posts you are talking about are on the non-political forums and those posters are not identifying their party membership.

Also those posters are not advocating for policies anyway, are they? They are making their own personal observations and opinions about their own little worlds. Get back to us when they are pushing for new laws and policies that say "mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids" (sounds like a Republican to me to be honest) and so forth.

See the portion about pretending it's only trolls and GOP feel this way.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

Talk about editing!!??

They did not say either grandparent. They referred to the one who has a uterus that can no longer carry a fetus to term, after which the person with the uterus is of limited use.

Being on a podcast with another dude talking about a woman's ability to menstruate is just deeply, deeply weird - even if it's the other guy who actually said "menstrual." Trying to explain it away as being more about the concept of grandparents generally being involved in childcare is really disingenuous.

And don't forget that this is the guy who said that people without kids don't have a stake in the future of the country. This guy 100% has a breeding fetish.

Of course he has a breeding fetish. He realizes that with Covid and general age, the GOP is losing more voters than gaining. The GOP is shrinking faster than they are replaced. He knows that with time, the party is going to shrink to the point that even the electoral college will not be enough to salvage the party's ability to get elected to national office. Trump doesn't care because Trump is going to die long before the point of no return. But Vance is young and he can see the party dying out of influence before the end of his political career. So, GOP breeding more and having more babies and children raised in conservative households is one long-term way of working to counter the issue.

lol. He has no beliefs. He doesn’t care about the GOP now let alone in 20-40 years. He is a political prostitute who sings for his supper.

+1

Truth! Wait till he loses. He will be singing a different tune.

Yup. He was Peter Thiel's puppet before he was Trump's

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

I’m sorry you can’t see the difference between one’s personal views and policy views. Like personally I’d never have kids outside of marriage but I’m not trying to make it policy and dictate how everyone else lives. Personally I’m not sure if I’d have an abortion but I’m not trying to make sure no one else does either. Personally I’m not Christian but I’m out there saying my religion is better or that others should live their lives by it.

Republicans do all of this and that is why I will never never vote for one.

+1 and thank you. People like PP just don’t get it. I think what I think, and I’m also not trying to make that decision for someone else. That’s the difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America is suffering from an epidemic of fat, ugly, mean spirited misogynists and it makes me wish we had a hot war going. Men like Vance forget that significant proportions of men were typically wiped out in wars and cannon fodder was historically the main use of lower class men of peasant stock like him. This age in which the local idiot has the luxury of an internet connection and can sit around spewing hatred about women is no good.

+100

With all the hand wringing over the amount of male violence in the world, I'm not sure why people haven’t made the connection that the world hasn’t had a big war in more than a generation. Wars have historically taken care of the kind of men who now sit around ranting about how much they hate women.

Society has evolved to try to avoid war, which in the abstract is a good thing. But war is a natural part of life on earth and has always served a purpose, for better or worse.

When I was just a kid studying history and anthropology, I used to say that society would suffer the consequences of too many “useless” men. (I know it’s not kind to say, but it’s true). And we have.