Vance’s Latest Misogynistic View

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Anonymous wrote:vance has been saying on the trail that he is angling for a 4th child and trying to convince usha. how much time does he even get to spend with the three very young children he has now??

IVF lab babies don’t require proximity or sexual intercourse.

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Has JD Vance shared what he thinks of women who can’t get pregnant?
I guess we’re meant to adopt the children conceived by rape victims who aren’t allowed to abort? Or are our husbands supposed to kill us so they can marry someone else?

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I’m a life-long Dem and am under no circumstances voting for Trump. I listened tho this entire podcast posted above and it was very interesting. The host (a moderate D it seems) had some pretty thought-provoking questions. JD was fine in this. The reaction here is overblown, but I’m still never voting for Trump/Vance.

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Of course the reaction was overblown - as it almost always is. Par for the course with this crowd.

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Anonymous wrote:How did he get accepted to Yale?

Branding fail for Yale

Yale's "brand" has been a failure for some time now. Especially after the entire world saw the YLS morons shouting down an invited speaker.

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He's not wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

+100
It's beyond telling that liberals are objecting to his point - that having a grandparent care for your kids is a wonderful thing. My own mom did something very similar and we all benefitted from it. My kids grew so close to her and didn't have to attend daycare. Bonus all around.

I mean, many millions of people have had help from grandparents for generations. Why is it a political stance now and why is it partisan? Why are Republicans even talking about this? If they're not talking about a policy decision related to it that could benefit families, then they just need to get off this subject. There are two wars going on and could they discuss health care, environmental or housing issues, perhaps? Maybe choose not to be a guest on podcasts and shows that can't get beyond these family issues? They won't.

Um… the podcast in question was recorded FOUR years ago. Good grief.

Oh, he disrespected women 4 years ago. That changes everything

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I know our attention spans are collectively degrading, but four years ago isn't ancient history is it?

Not for most people, but for Vance? It's a lifetime and at least four careers ago.

Haha. Is it at least within his "Vance" incarnation?

Yes, he switched to the Vance surname (his grandparents surname) in April 2013, essentially just before he married.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

Talk about editing!!??

They did not say either grandparent. They referred to the one who has a uterus that can no longer carry a fetus to term, after which the person with the uterus is of limited use.

Being on a podcast with another dude talking about a woman's ability to menstruate is just deeply, deeply weird - even if it's the other guy who actually said "menstrual." Trying to explain it away as being more about the concept of grandparents generally being involved in childcare is really disingenuous.

And don't forget that this is the guy who said that people without kids don't have a stake in the future of the country. This guy 100% has a breeding fetish.

Of course he has a breeding fetish. He realizes that with Covid and general age, the GOP is losing more voters than gaining. The GOP is shrinking faster than they are replaced. He knows that with time, the party is going to shrink to the point that even the electoral college will not be enough to salvage the party's ability to get elected to national office. Trump doesn't care because Trump is going to die long before the point of no return. But Vance is young and he can see the party dying out of influence before the end of his political career. So, GOP breeding more and having more babies and children raised in conservative households is one long-term way of working to counter the issue.

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JD Vance reminds me of a lot of the male characters in Robert A. Heinlein's novels, especially the ickier ones he wrote later in life.

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What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

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Anonymous wrote:What's funny to me is his views are regularly espoused by posters here. Posters who are mad their kids don't want grandkids. Posters who are upset their parents don't want to spend all their time with their grandkids. Posters who insist people who aren't married by a certain age must have something wrong with them.
Posters who claim non parents are just immature second class citizens and they regularly denigrate family and friends without a spouse or kids. That mom should just deal with it because husbands aren't great with little kids and on and on.
I know you all are going to quote me and pretend this doesn't happen or it's just incel and maga trolls. Don't bother gaslighting.

He's saying the quiet part out loud, but it's not just the GOP who feel this way. There's a lot of misogyny in America.

I guarantee that there are people who criticize Vance’s views but then head right over the Relationship forum to say the exact same garbage he spouts. I’m happy for them to vote Democrat, but the lack of self awareness is shocking.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

Talk about editing!!??

They did not say either grandparent. They referred to the one who has a uterus that can no longer carry a fetus to term, after which the person with the uterus is of limited use.

Being on a podcast with another dude talking about a woman's ability to menstruate is just deeply, deeply weird - even if it's the other guy who actually said "menstrual." Trying to explain it away as being more about the concept of grandparents generally being involved in childcare is really disingenuous.

And don't forget that this is the guy who said that people without kids don't have a stake in the future of the country. This guy 100% has a breeding fetish.

Of course he has a breeding fetish. He realizes that with Covid and general age, the GOP is losing more voters than gaining. The GOP is shrinking faster than they are replaced. He knows that with time, the party is going to shrink to the point that even the electoral college will not be enough to salvage the party's ability to get elected to national office. Trump doesn't care because Trump is going to die long before the point of no return. But Vance is young and he can see the party dying out of influence before the end of his political career. So, GOP breeding more and having more babies and children raised in conservative households is one long-term way of working to counter the issue.

lol. He has no beliefs. He doesn’t care about the GOP now let alone in 20-40 years. He is a political prostitute who sings for his supper.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I agree with his core premise—- it’s much better , in most cases, for a child to be raised by parents/grandparents vs daycare. Universal daycare is what is eww in this discussion.

I do too. Totally.

I would also like to point out that this audio is clearly edited... who knows what is spliced or missing. And, it is an article from Salon, so that makes it even more questionable.
Having said that, if advocating for having a grandparent assist with the care of a newborn infant is misogynistic, call me a misogynist. I like when he pointed out that she could have just continued working and given some of her salary to help them out, but she chose to help with the care itself.
And, I say this as someone who is currently in this exact position.... and I'm not Indian. A grandmother who is lucky enough to help with the care of her grandchild during the critical first years of development. I wouldn't trade it for anything in the world.

Talk about editing!!??

They did not say either grandparent. They referred to the one who has a uterus that can no longer carry a fetus to term, after which the person with the uterus is of limited use.

Being on a podcast with another dude talking about a woman's ability to menstruate is just deeply, deeply weird - even if it's the other guy who actually said "menstrual." Trying to explain it away as being more about the concept of grandparents generally being involved in childcare is really disingenuous.

And don't forget that this is the guy who said that people without kids don't have a stake in the future of the country. This guy 100% has a breeding fetish.

Of course he has a breeding fetish. He realizes that with Covid and general age, the GOP is losing more voters than gaining. The GOP is shrinking faster than they are replaced. He knows that with time, the party is going to shrink to the point that even the electoral college will not be enough to salvage the party's ability to get elected to national office. Trump doesn't care because Trump is going to die long before the point of no return. But Vance is young and he can see the party dying out of influence before the end of his political career. So, GOP breeding more and having more babies and children raised in conservative households is one long-term way of working to counter the issue.

lol. He has no beliefs. He doesn’t care about the GOP now let alone in 20-40 years. He is a political prostitute who sings for his supper.

+1

Truth! Wait till he loses. He will be singing a different tune.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:vance has been saying on the trail that he is angling for a 4th child and trying to convince usha. how much time does he even get to spend with the three very young children he has now??

IVF lab babies don’t require proximity or sexual intercourse.

Not what the PP was saying. The PP was pointing out that JD pretty much already ignores his kids.