Be honest- what do you think about women who are content to be just wives and mothers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends HOW they do it. My mother was a SAHM and our house was always dirty and she was always laying on the couch in her nightgown watching soaps and talk shows when I came home. It wasn't some super clean house with cookies fresh from the oven after school. She never made me breakfast. She never decorated the house for any holidays. She often "forgot" to take anything out to defrost for dinner and we scrambled to pull together a meal.

So someone like that, I don't feel good. A friend of mine is a SAHM and she gets dressed each morning when her kids do, makes them breakfast, makes their lunches with them, keeps up the house, is always arranging play dates, does holiday decor, makes homemade treats for her kids to pass out to their classes for their birthdays, invites people over spontaneously, etc. She's a great SAHM. She treats it like a full time job.

I do all that and I work, so am I a superhuman (yes, yes we are).

So to you it is a contest?

I think the point is that not every stay home mom is all that good. Not every working. Mom is all that bad.

You can’t look at these things in generalities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When kids are little and not at school, no judgement. After kids are in school, I think k there choices to not work and make their own money are keeping us in the 1950s and I resent them for it.

People who can afford not to work today are nothing at all like the women prohibited or discouraged from working in the 1950s, and one woman's choice in 2024 to do something other than earn money as someone's employee has zero impact on you and your choices. So how exactly is that woman "keeping us in the 1950s"? What do you actually resent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends HOW they do it. My mother was a SAHM and our house was always dirty and she was always laying on the couch in her nightgown watching soaps and talk shows when I came home. It wasn't some super clean house with cookies fresh from the oven after school. She never made me breakfast. She never decorated the house for any holidays. She often "forgot" to take anything out to defrost for dinner and we scrambled to pull together a meal.

So someone like that, I don't feel good. A friend of mine is a SAHM and she gets dressed each morning when her kids do, makes them breakfast, makes their lunches with them, keeps up the house, is always arranging play dates, does holiday decor, makes homemade treats for her kids to pass out to their classes for their birthdays, invites people over spontaneously, etc. She's a great SAHM. She treats it like a full time job.

I do all that and I work, so am I a superhuman (yes, yes we are).

So to you it is a contest?

I think the point is that not every stay home mom is all that good. Not every working. Mom is all that bad.

You can’t look at these things in generalities.

That is not what your "superhuman" comment suggests.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When kids are little and not at school, no judgement. After kids are in school, I think k there choices to not work and make their own money are keeping us in the 1950s and I resent them for it.

People who can afford not to work today are nothing at all like the women prohibited or discouraged from working in the 1950s, and one woman's choice in 2024 to do something other than earn money as someone's employee has zero impact on you and your choices. So how exactly is that woman "keeping us in the 1950s"? What do you actually resent?

You live in a bubble or with your head in the sand if you think there are not women being held back by men to make them dependent on him so they have no say and no options.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are my thoughts:
1. on sending kids to college and then they choose not to work - For people like me, college didn't provide actual work skills, but it did open a door so that jobs would be provided to me. Arguing that they "aren't using what you paid for" is baseless. You pay for college because it opens doors - for jobs and socio-economic opportunity. That includes pair-bonding opportunities.
2. Most jobs are pointless air-sucks - people dissing on SAHM act like they are all saving the world with their stupid jobs. Most jobs, not all jobs, do not add that much value to the world. They may add value to YOUR life, but if your industry disappeared tomorrow, our species wouldn't be at risk.
3. A life spent outside or inside of work can be well spent, or it can be wasted. See how that works?!

On #2 .., do you support unmarried men who don’t work and live with their parents?

If no why not? Jobs are pointless.

I support men who choose not to work and support their families at home. I don't think either MEN or WOMEN should live off their parent's support. A parent's job is to make their child self-sufficient. The point of #2 is to remind people that jobs probably don't merit the amount of importance they attribute to them, other than their ability to keep food on the table and a roof overhead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It depends HOW they do it. My mother was a SAHM and our house was always dirty and she was always laying on the couch in her nightgown watching soaps and talk shows when I came home. It wasn't some super clean house with cookies fresh from the oven after school. She never made me breakfast. She never decorated the house for any holidays. She often "forgot" to take anything out to defrost for dinner and we scrambled to pull together a meal.

So someone like that, I don't feel good. A friend of mine is a SAHM and she gets dressed each morning when her kids do, makes them breakfast, makes their lunches with them, keeps up the house, is always arranging play dates, does holiday decor, makes homemade treats for her kids to pass out to their classes for their birthdays, invites people over spontaneously, etc. She's a great SAHM. She treats it like a full time job.

I do all that and I work, so am I a superhuman (yes, yes we are).

So to you it is a contest?

I think the point is that not every stay home mom is all that good. Not every working. Mom is all that bad.

You can’t look at these things in generalities.

That is not what your "superhuman" comment suggests.

No it was a tongue in check comment about how all those thing can't be done by a working mom unless she is super human.

So what you make breakfast and lunches, you have a clean house, arrange play date, decorate for holidays... etc, that not just a SAHM thing.

Also, it's interesting that you commented on the "super human" comment but not on the one before that.

Is it a contest?, must a SAHM decorate for the holiday, schedule play dates, make homemade treats... and if they don't do they not deserve to SAH?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When kids are little and not at school, no judgement. After kids are in school, I think k there choices to not work and make their own money are keeping us in the 1950s and I resent them for it.

People who can afford not to work today are nothing at all like the women prohibited or discouraged from working in the 1950s, and one woman's choice in 2024 to do something other than earn money as someone's employee has zero impact on you and your choices. So how exactly is that woman "keeping us in the 1950s"? What do you actually resent?

You live in a bubble or with your head in the sand if you think there are not women being held back by men to make them dependent on him so they have no say and no options.

and your head is in the sand if you think there are no sah women who are sah of their own desire and volition and who are married to partners who happily provide and appreciate her contributions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here are my thoughts:
1. on sending kids to college and then they choose not to work - For people like me, college didn't provide actual work skills, but it did open a door so that jobs would be provided to me. Arguing that they "aren't using what you paid for" is baseless. You pay for college because it opens doors - for jobs and socio-economic opportunity. That includes pair-bonding opportunities.
2. Most jobs are pointless air-sucks - people dissing on SAHM act like they are all saving the world with their stupid jobs. Most jobs, not all jobs, do not add that much value to the world. They may add value to YOUR life, but if your industry disappeared tomorrow, our species wouldn't be at risk.
3. A life spent outside or inside of work can be well spent, or it can be wasted. See how that works?!

On #2 .., do you support unmarried men who don’t work and live with their parents?

If no why not? Jobs are pointless.

I support men who choose not to work and support their families at home. I don't think either MEN or WOMEN should live off their parent's support. A parent's job is to make their child self-sufficient. The point of #2 is to remind people that jobs probably don't merit the amount of importance they attribute to them, other than their ability to keep food on the table and a roof overhead.

Why not, why do you judge someone at home with parents. What's it to you? You think your soul sucking job makes you better.

Your like...

jobs are meaningless
unless it's a man living with his parents then then are important
but jobs don't merit the amount of importance people attribute to them
but i'm attributing importance if it's a man living with his parents
jobs are important for food and shelter
but they are meaning less to women who have a man
but your a leach if your a man and it's your parents, get a job
but jobs are meaning less even if you parents don't care, they support you and like your company and you have food and shelter

If it's a parents job to make somebody self-sufficient, then why is it okay for a woman to not be self-sufficient and live off the dole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When kids are little and not at school, no judgement. After kids are in school, I think k there choices to not work and make their own money are keeping us in the 1950s and I resent them for it.

People who can afford not to work today are nothing at all like the women prohibited or discouraged from working in the 1950s, and one woman's choice in 2024 to do something other than earn money as someone's employee has zero impact on you and your choices. So how exactly is that woman "keeping us in the 1950s"? What do you actually resent?

You live in a bubble or with your head in the sand if you think there are not women being held back by men to make them dependent on him so they have no say and no options.

and your head is in the sand if you think there are no sah women who are sah of their own desire and volition and who are married to partners who happily provide and appreciate her contributions.

I didn't say that unicorns don't exist, they do, it's just not the norm and acting like all women have choice and are only home because they have a loving supportive husband who will not divorce them, abuse them, cheat on them, become an alcoholic, become disabled, or die and even if those things happen will have millions of $ to let them live forever never needing to work or open a go fund me page... you are categorically wrong.

I've watched it happen, over and over and over.

[Anonymous]

28 year old me would have judged the shit out of these women. 46 year old me says, do your thing!

[Anonymous]

I was fortunate to be able to stay home until my youngest started nursery school and returned to work full-time. I am no longer friends socially with any of the women who are still SAHM. We have little in common nowadays, other than our kids.

[Anonymous]

I understand it completely, and I’m a wife and mother who prefers to work. There’s a lot that goes into raising kids and running a household and it can be really fulfilling. More power to them.

[Anonymous]

What is the quote from the movie? 14 pages and I still don't know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:28 year old me would have judged the shit out of these women. 46 year old me says, do your thing!

+1 (full disclosure: I became a SAHM at age 40).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:28 year old me would have judged the shit out of these women. 46 year old me says, do your thing!

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