Atheist bil won’t allow 3 year old nephew to receive a gift during holidays

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

There is no such thing as secular Christ-mas. Perhaps I should put on a Lakota Sioux tribal costume and have a “secular” powow.

Yet there are thousands of people who celebrate Christmas without any religious involvement.

Millions

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

There is no such thing as secular Christ-mas. Perhaps I should put on a Lakota Sioux tribal costume and have a “secular” powow.

Yet there are thousands of people who celebrate Christmas without any religious involvement.

Millions

True.

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If you give the gift anyway, prepare for them not to come next time.

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I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

This!

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

There is no such thing as secular Christ-mas. Perhaps I should put on a Lakota Sioux tribal costume and have a “secular” powow.

Yet there are thousands of people who celebrate Christmas without any religious involvement.

Got it, we’re all free to celebrate “secular” versions of religious holidays. And no one can get offended. Can’t wait to open an Etsy shop with my red and green dreidels with crosses on them! There’s no wrong way to celebrate religious holidays!

Christians should stop claiming a Pagan holiday, and telling people how to celebrate.

Not you again.

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

There is no such thing as secular Christ-mas. Perhaps I should put on a Lakota Sioux tribal costume and have a “secular” powow.

Yet there are thousands of people who celebrate Christmas without any religious involvement.

Got it, we’re all free to celebrate “secular” versions of religious holidays. And no one can get offended. Can’t wait to open an Etsy shop with my red and green dreidels with crosses on them! There’s no wrong way to celebrate religious holidays!

Christians should stop claiming a Pagan holiday, and telling people how to celebrate.

That’s fine! I’ll go make a boxed mix of Christmas latkes and another of bake-your-own Christmas dreidels! And then no one can tell me how to celebrate!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

This is not a zero sum game.

Facts:

1) Christmas is a Christian holiday

2) Non-Christians participate in Christmas.

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

This is not a zero sum game.

Facts:

1) Christmas is a Christian holiday

2) Non-Christians participate in Christmas.

Similarly

1) Saint Patrick's Day holiday is the Catholic saint day for March 17.

2) Non-Catholics participate in Saint Patrick's Day

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

This is not a zero sum game.

Facts:

1) Christmas is a Christian holiday

2) Non-Christians participate in Christmas.

3) The Church deliberately picked a winter day close to many peoples' pagan winter Holy Days to facilitate assimilation. And

4) Northerners incorporated trees and other broadly celtic symbolism into their Christian celebration.

Both of these reasons are why people say "the origins of Christmas are pagan". You need to exercise subtlety of understanding, PP, something that lies woefully dormant somewhere inside you.

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

This is not a zero sum game.

Facts:

1) Christmas is a Christian holiday

2) Non-Christians participate in Christmas.

3) The Church deliberately picked a winter day close to many peoples' pagan winter Holy Days to facilitate assimilation. And

4) Northerners incorporated trees and other broadly celtic symbolism into their Christian celebration.

Both of these reasons are why people say "the origins of Christmas are pagan". You need to exercise subtlety of understanding, PP, something that lies woefully dormant somewhere inside you.

I'm 7th Day Adventist. We have books about the pagan prelude to Christmas. You "need" to choose your words more carefully to be "subtle," and stop assuming and misreading the room and "woefully" underestimating my knowledge of this topic. God bless!

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Anonymous wrote:We are an atheist family raising our children in the secular tradition. I absolutely love secular Christmas and have a blast taking in all the experiences. That being said, the focus on consumerism and waste has really gotten under my skin in recent years. I have done my part to slow or stop the adult gift giving and am trying to limit the amount of new in box plastic that comes in for the kids. They already have so many toys from past birthdays, Christmases, and one off visits, we have so little space, and it makes me feel very Grinchy to have to spend my precious vacation time with them around the holidays purging their spaces just to make room for junk they’ll forget in two weeks. All that is to say, Grandma’s joy brings me a lot of grief.

I am very generous with loved ones on their birthdays and special occasions. But I’d rather spend time with them and enjoy experiences with them than opening gifts.

Your post about “secular Christmas” is offensive. If you scoff at that, please go post threads about Secular Yom Kippur, Secular Ramadan, and Secular Rosh Hannakuh and get back to us.

Dp You know what pp? You chose to be offended so that is on you. People do celebrate secular Christmas unlike the other holidays you mentioned.
I don't know why you are so offended on how other people live their lives. We should be allowed to share our views.

I think pp is being naive, so many 'cultural' christians and atheist families enjoy Christmas as a secular family get together holiday barely giving any thought to the Christian element. Some of my Buddhist family members in Thailand enjoy Christmas too! Wasn't it documented that JC was born in the summer?

The Catholic Church started Christmas via Pope Constantine.

CHRIST + MASS. Mass = catholic church service.

It's absolutely a Christian holiday.

If atheists or people of other faiths decorate Christmas trees and exchange gifts, it doesn't change fact that it's a Christian holiday. When I attend a Hannukah dinner, or join an Eid celebration, it doesn't secularize their holiday. How offensive to even suggest that for any religion!!

Sorry to be the one to inform you, but it has been co-opted and is absolutely celebrated as a non-religious holiday by many, despite its origins.

This is not a zero sum game.

Facts:

1) Christmas is a Christian holiday

2) Non-Christians participate in Christmas.

3) The Church deliberately picked a winter day close to many peoples' pagan winter Holy Days to facilitate assimilation. And

4) Northerners incorporated trees and other broadly celtic symbolism into their Christian celebration.

Both of these reasons are why people say "the origins of Christmas are pagan". You need to exercise subtlety of understanding, PP, something that lies woefully dormant somewhere inside you.

I'm 7th Day Adventist. We have books about the pagan prelude to Christmas. You "need" to choose your words more carefully to be "subtle," and stop assuming and misreading the room and "woefully" underestimating my knowledge of this topic. God bless!

+1. I'm mainline protestant and we all understand that nobody knows Jesus' true birthdate so a winter date was chosen that happened to be around other pagan celebrations. Nobody cares. Except that it's funny you guys pop up all the time to express outrage about this well-understood history.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm imagining one of the teens requesting a gift for themselves that the nephew might like (stuffed animal, ball...) and then sharing it with him.

This is what I was thinking.