Do fat women who are Body-Positive really love being fat?

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Anonymous wrote:I think there are a lot of thin people who are like lot of rich people. A lot of rich people tell themselves they worked really hard and made tons of sacrifices and got to where they are on our own so no help for anyone else. They're super offended at the idea that someone might get a benefit that they didn't.

Some thin people are the same; they feel like they've sacrificed and worked hard and done everything they're supposed to do to be thin and they're outraged at the idea that not only is another person fat, but at person doesn't heat herself for being fat and is " making excuses."


I think both of these mindsets are really dangerous and counterproductive to your own mental health.

Other people's lives do not diminish your own.

This is a great example.

No it isn’t. Those with wealth have the money they worked hard for through ‘tons of sacrifices and no help from anyone else’ taken away from from them to fund the programs and benefits for those without wealth. They aren’t super offended that someone might get a benefit they didn’t. But they may be offended that more and more of their income will be taken away from them to fund those benefits- depending on political climate. They will be heavily funding free health care, free college, guaranteed income for all, and the various other social programs that are being proposed.

No. Most people with wealth were born on 3rd base and act like they hit a triple.

They also receive social programs like tax breaks and subsidies.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet we can't. We really can't. I've done every diet known to man and the weight always comes back.

You eat whatever you want and the weight never increases.

It's genes. Just like being left-handed.

I have two mini goldendoodles. They aren't related. They have the EXACT same lifestyle. One is skinny. The other is plump. Correct that it's genes.

It might be genes that you are a size 10 and will never be a 00. But no one is a size 16+ solely because of genes

I would probably think this if I didn't have the family members to prove otherwise.

Obesity is bad on my dad's side of the family. He's not obese but 3 of his brothers are and 1 of his 2 sisters. I'm average weight as is my brother. Our sister, unfortunately, got the fat genes and has been obese her whole life. Literally, from birth she has been fat. She's one of those babies you see and think is adorable because of all their little rolls. She was 10 lbs. 4 oz. when born and 23 in. long.

We grew up in the same house eating the same foods and yet, she's always been overweight and my brother and I are not. She wasn't given access to more or different foods than we were.

There are others in my family who are like this as well, including a set of twins where one is fat and the other skinny.

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Fat person here. This. All day long. I don’t love being fat, I doubt anyone does. But I am so f$#&*%g tired of being looked down on, or ignored, or treated like a second class citizen because people assume I’m lazy, or dumb or whatever else (cue the aholes who will respond to this with those exact comments). Losing weight for me is really, really hard, because I hate going to the gym, have two small children, and yes, I don’t want to spend my life starving myself and working out that I hate just to please society. And I have two young girls that I don’t want to subject to body shaming or make self conscious of their own bodies. My mother obsessed about weight and being fat her whole life, and it has imprinted itself on my brain in negative talk. I do NOT want my daughters dealing with that. So yeah, I have learned to accept my body, teach them that women are beautiful at any size, it’s what’s inside that counts, and anyone who says otherwise can go pound sand.

So you are not lazy but you hate the gym, don't like to exercise, find it too hard to watch what you eat and blame your mom for your current size?

Stop being obnoxious. You know that’s not what she said, but you just twisted it so you can imply she’s lazy. I do not understand why people feel the need to be such bitches to people they do not know.

PP isn't being obnoxious. It's literally what the other PP said. She said she isn't lazy, but then said:

"I hate going to the gym"

"I don't want to spend my life starving myself" (hint: the majority of people don't need to starve themselves to attain a healthy weight -- yes I know SOME do, but not most)

"My mother was obsessed about weight and being fat and it has imprinted itself on my brain" -- blaming her mom

Newsflash: being healthy and working out isn't going to imprint negative, body-shaming crap on your daughters. In fact, it's an excellent example to show them.

All true. And your daughters will likely be overweight too and not because it's generic, because they are learning your habits. Not that that is the worse thing in the world, but it is as if you know your girls will be overweight and you are preparing them for that instead of trying to change the trajectory and teach them good habits and healthy lifestyle

And how is that your problem? You and PP are fat shaming her.

How is suggesting she should go to the gym, stop blaming her mom, and eat better fat shaming?

Because it implies she isn’t fit at all (you can be fit without going to the gym), that she blames her mother (didn’t sound like it to me, she was explaining somyto you and that she eats trash (she just said she doesn’t want to starve herself, she doesn’t say she eats like a pig or eats bad foods). Do you see how what you said is perceived as fat shaming?

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Man, I don't really have a horse in this race, but the fact shamers on this thread sound like such awful people and terrible parents.

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Ah. RDN. Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil, that satiating butter, animal fat and egg yolks were worse for us than anything, that if we put butter on vegetables we might just as well not eat them. The period in which that was the advice coincided with America’s astonishing weight gain. Hmm.

No honey. Do you need a refresher course on the difference between "source" and "messenger"? Or maybe an RD hurt your family dog as a child, or something?

The scapegoat you're looking for is the USDA at the behest of elected officials from Midwestern farm states where commodity crops are grown.
https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga95/12DIETAP.HTM

How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America
Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, Volume 63, Issue 2, April 2008,
https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615

In relevant part:
"[t]he low-fat diet for weight reduction was already well in place before physicians and scientists began promoting it for cardiovascular health in the 1950s. The low-fat diet was part of our dieting tradition before the ideology of low fat conquered America."


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Struck a nerve, did I? Your sources confirm what I said.

The cited works contradict what you claimed, that dieticians were the root cause of the low-fat diet advice. Contradict is different than confirm. Enjoy your atherosclerosis, though!

You can’t read, you hypersensitive RDN! I said “Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil” Did or did not dieticians convey the low fat dogma to patients? I didn’t say the invented it (thanks, Ancel!), I said they helped convince us.

Also, why assume I’m developing atherosclerosis? Or wish it on someone? I’m confused what kind of angry defensive medical professional with a god complex might suggest that the dietary advice of an RDN is not infallible and in fact helped perpetrate the National obesity crisis.

Ok then, why do you focus blame on the messengers of the low-fat recommendations — the RDs — rather than the federal policymakers and scientists who actually developed the policy in the first place?

I'm not an RD, just someone who finds your overwrought and misguided bitterness a little odd.

NP but it read to me like that poster was saying why should we trust what the dietician in this thread is saying THIS time when in the past they have spread bad science that helped increase the obesity epidemic?

Dietitians aren’t to blame then or now for obesity. And many people that struggle with weight don’t do so because they lack the knowledge of what makes a healthy balanced diet, they struggle because food is their drug. They are addicted and cannot break the cycle because they emotionally rely on the comfort and feelings they get from it. And unlike drugs and alcohol, you can’t quit food. It is always there and you will always need to eat- which makes breaking that addiction ever so much harder.

They are, not in whole, but they’re the ones who communicated the dogma to us. They’re the ones who created the diets for patients. Immediately you jump to insulting every fat person, that all of them are pathetic food addicted losers - no, people can’t stop eating. There is no cold turkey for food.

I don’t recall reading or hearing about a lot of food addicted people before the 1990s when the low fat dogma deeply destabilized the diets of millions. Suddenly, the macronutrient that creates satiety without affecting blood sugar was off the table - don’t eat meat (too much saturated fat!), don’t eat avocados (too much fat!), don’t dress your veggies with butter (unhealthy at any amount! Too much fat!), don’t eat nuts (ahhhh! so much fat!), etc.

And here comes the smug RDN on this thread, acting like she has some hotline to god when your ilk is as much to blame for the fat epidemic as anyone. You pushed the message. In school meals, in school programs, in youth programs, on tv shows, county extension services, creating meal plans for post-surgical and post-diagnostic patients.... look around at all the pretty fat people and know that your field helped make them. Because there were people with genetic vulnerabilities and demonizing fat - with fairly shoddy evidence, frankly - put a match to their kindling.

So yeah. I’m annoyed with people who pretend to know but don’t admit what their field did.

It sounds like you need therapy. Did you go see an RD at some point for help losing weight and it didn't work out for you?

Not the PP, but you sound patronizing.

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Ah. RDN. Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil, that satiating butter, animal fat and egg yolks were worse for us than anything, that if we put butter on vegetables we might just as well not eat them. The period in which that was the advice coincided with America’s astonishing weight gain. Hmm.

No honey. Do you need a refresher course on the difference between "source" and "messenger"? Or maybe an RD hurt your family dog as a child, or something?

The scapegoat you're looking for is the USDA at the behest of elected officials from Midwestern farm states where commodity crops are grown.
https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga95/12DIETAP.HTM

How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America
Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, Volume 63, Issue 2, April 2008,
https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615

In relevant part:
"[t]he low-fat diet for weight reduction was already well in place before physicians and scientists began promoting it for cardiovascular health in the 1950s. The low-fat diet was part of our dieting tradition before the ideology of low fat conquered America."


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Struck a nerve, did I? Your sources confirm what I said.

The cited works contradict what you claimed, that dieticians were the root cause of the low-fat diet advice. Contradict is different than confirm. Enjoy your atherosclerosis, though!

You can’t read, you hypersensitive RDN! I said “Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil” Did or did not dieticians convey the low fat dogma to patients? I didn’t say the invented it (thanks, Ancel!), I said they helped convince us.

Also, why assume I’m developing atherosclerosis? Or wish it on someone? I’m confused what kind of angry defensive medical professional with a god complex might suggest that the dietary advice of an RDN is not infallible and in fact helped perpetrate the National obesity crisis.

Ok then, why do you focus blame on the messengers of the low-fat recommendations — the RDs — rather than the federal policymakers and scientists who actually developed the policy in the first place?

I'm not an RD, just someone who finds your overwrought and misguided bitterness a little odd.

NP but it read to me like that poster was saying why should we trust what the dietician in this thread is saying THIS time when in the past they have spread bad science that helped increase the obesity epidemic?

Dietitians aren’t to blame then or now for obesity. And many people that struggle with weight don’t do so because they lack the knowledge of what makes a healthy balanced diet, they struggle because food is their drug. They are addicted and cannot break the cycle because they emotionally rely on the comfort and feelings they get from it. And unlike drugs and alcohol, you can’t quit food. It is always there and you will always need to eat- which makes breaking that addiction ever so much harder.

They are, not in whole, but they’re the ones who communicated the dogma to us. They’re the ones who created the diets for patients. Immediately you jump to insulting every fat person, that all of them are pathetic food addicted losers - no, people can’t stop eating. There is no cold turkey for food.

I don’t recall reading or hearing about a lot of food addicted people before the 1990s when the low fat dogma deeply destabilized the diets of millions. Suddenly, the macronutrient that creates satiety without affecting blood sugar was off the table - don’t eat meat (too much saturated fat!), don’t eat avocados (too much fat!), don’t dress your veggies with butter (unhealthy at any amount! Too much fat!), don’t eat nuts (ahhhh! so much fat!), etc.

And here comes the smug RDN on this thread, acting like she has some hotline to god when your ilk is as much to blame for the fat epidemic as anyone. You pushed the message. In school meals, in school programs, in youth programs, on tv shows, county extension services, creating meal plans for post-surgical and post-diagnostic patients.... look around at all the pretty fat people and know that your field helped make them. Because there were people with genetic vulnerabilities and demonizing fat - with fairly shoddy evidence, frankly - put a match to their kindling.

So yeah. I’m annoyed with people who pretend to know but don’t admit what their field did.

It sounds like you need therapy. Did you go see an RD at some point for help losing weight and it didn't work out for you?

Not the PP, but you sound patronizing.

DP. And ignorant. Prior PP was on point re dieticians.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet we can't. We really can't. I've done every diet known to man and the weight always comes back.

You eat whatever you want and the weight never increases.

It's genes. Just like being left-handed.

I have two mini goldendoodles. They aren't related. They have the EXACT same lifestyle. One is skinny. The other is plump. Correct that it's genes.

It might be genes that you are a size 10 and will never be a 00. But no one is a size 16+ solely because of genes

I would probably think this if I didn't have the family members to prove otherwise.

Obesity is bad on my dad's side of the family. He's not obese but 3 of his brothers are and 1 of his 2 sisters. I'm average weight as is my brother. Our sister, unfortunately, got the fat genes and has been obese her whole life. Literally, from birth she has been fat. She's one of those babies you see and think is adorable because of all their little rolls. She was 10 lbs. 4 oz. when born and 23 in. long.

We grew up in the same house eating the same foods and yet, she's always been overweight and my brother and I are not. She wasn't given access to more or different foods than we were.

There are others in my family who are like this as well, including a set of twins where one is fat and the other skinny.

Women who are naturally size 16... Serena Williams, shot put gold medalist Michelle Carter.

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Ah. RDN. Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil, that satiating butter, animal fat and egg yolks were worse for us than anything, that if we put butter on vegetables we might just as well not eat them. The period in which that was the advice coincided with America’s astonishing weight gain. Hmm.

No honey. Do you need a refresher course on the difference between "source" and "messenger"? Or maybe an RD hurt your family dog as a child, or something?

The scapegoat you're looking for is the USDA at the behest of elected officials from Midwestern farm states where commodity crops are grown.
https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga95/12DIETAP.HTM

How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America
Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, Volume 63, Issue 2, April 2008,
https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615

In relevant part:
"[t]he low-fat diet for weight reduction was already well in place before physicians and scientists began promoting it for cardiovascular health in the 1950s. The low-fat diet was part of our dieting tradition before the ideology of low fat conquered America."


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Struck a nerve, did I? Your sources confirm what I said.

The cited works contradict what you claimed, that dieticians were the root cause of the low-fat diet advice. Contradict is different than confirm. Enjoy your atherosclerosis, though!

You can’t read, you hypersensitive RDN! I said “Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil” Did or did not dieticians convey the low fat dogma to patients? I didn’t say the invented it (thanks, Ancel!), I said they helped convince us.

Also, why assume I’m developing atherosclerosis? Or wish it on someone? I’m confused what kind of angry defensive medical professional with a god complex might suggest that the dietary advice of an RDN is not infallible and in fact helped perpetrate the National obesity crisis.

Ok then, why do you focus blame on the messengers of the low-fat recommendations — the RDs — rather than the federal policymakers and scientists who actually developed the policy in the first place?

I'm not an RD, just someone who finds your overwrought and misguided bitterness a little odd.

NP but it read to me like that poster was saying why should we trust what the dietician in this thread is saying THIS time when in the past they have spread bad science that helped increase the obesity epidemic?

Dietitians aren’t to blame then or now for obesity. And many people that struggle with weight don’t do so because they lack the knowledge of what makes a healthy balanced diet, they struggle because food is their drug. They are addicted and cannot break the cycle because they emotionally rely on the comfort and feelings they get from it. And unlike drugs and alcohol, you can’t quit food. It is always there and you will always need to eat- which makes breaking that addiction ever so much harder.

They are, not in whole, but they’re the ones who communicated the dogma to us. They’re the ones who created the diets for patients. Immediately you jump to insulting every fat person, that all of them are pathetic food addicted losers - no, people can’t stop eating. There is no cold turkey for food.

I don’t recall reading or hearing about a lot of food addicted people before the 1990s when the low fat dogma deeply destabilized the diets of millions. Suddenly, the macronutrient that creates satiety without affecting blood sugar was off the table - don’t eat meat (too much saturated fat!), don’t eat avocados (too much fat!), don’t dress your veggies with butter (unhealthy at any amount! Too much fat!), don’t eat nuts (ahhhh! so much fat!), etc.

And here comes the smug RDN on this thread, acting like she has some hotline to god when your ilk is as much to blame for the fat epidemic as anyone. You pushed the message. In school meals, in school programs, in youth programs, on tv shows, county extension services, creating meal plans for post-surgical and post-diagnostic patients.... look around at all the pretty fat people and know that your field helped make them. Because there were people with genetic vulnerabilities and demonizing fat - with fairly shoddy evidence, frankly - put a match to their kindling.

So yeah. I’m annoyed with people who pretend to know but don’t admit what their field did.

It sounds like you need therapy. Did you go see an RD at some point for help losing weight and it didn't work out for you?

Not the PP, but you sound patronizing.

DP. And ignorant. Prior PP was on point re dieticians.

No kidding. I want to go back to the 80s and punch the Snackwells cookie man in the face.

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^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

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Ah. RDN. Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil, that satiating butter, animal fat and egg yolks were worse for us than anything, that if we put butter on vegetables we might just as well not eat them. The period in which that was the advice coincided with America’s astonishing weight gain. Hmm.

No honey. Do you need a refresher course on the difference between "source" and "messenger"? Or maybe an RD hurt your family dog as a child, or something?

The scapegoat you're looking for is the USDA at the behest of elected officials from Midwestern farm states where commodity crops are grown.
https://health.gov/dietaryguidelines/dga95/12DIETAP.HTM

How the Ideology of Low Fat Conquered America
Journal of the History of Medicine and Allied Sciences, Volume 63, Issue 2, April 2008,
https://academic.oup.com/jhmas/article/63/2/139/772615

In relevant part:
"[t]he low-fat diet for weight reduction was already well in place before physicians and scientists began promoting it for cardiovascular health in the 1950s. The low-fat diet was part of our dieting tradition before the ideology of low fat conquered America."


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Struck a nerve, did I? Your sources confirm what I said.

The cited works contradict what you claimed, that dieticians were the root cause of the low-fat diet advice. Contradict is different than confirm. Enjoy your atherosclerosis, though!

You can’t read, you hypersensitive RDN! I said “Those lovely ghouls who helped convince us all that dietary fat was the devil” Did or did not dieticians convey the low fat dogma to patients? I didn’t say the invented it (thanks, Ancel!), I said they helped convince us.

Also, why assume I’m developing atherosclerosis? Or wish it on someone? I’m confused what kind of angry defensive medical professional with a god complex might suggest that the dietary advice of an RDN is not infallible and in fact helped perpetrate the National obesity crisis.

Ok then, why do you focus blame on the messengers of the low-fat recommendations — the RDs — rather than the federal policymakers and scientists who actually developed the policy in the first place?

I'm not an RD, just someone who finds your overwrought and misguided bitterness a little odd.

NP but it read to me like that poster was saying why should we trust what the dietician in this thread is saying THIS time when in the past they have spread bad science that helped increase the obesity epidemic?

Dietitians aren’t to blame then or now for obesity. And many people that struggle with weight don’t do so because they lack the knowledge of what makes a healthy balanced diet, they struggle because food is their drug. They are addicted and cannot break the cycle because they emotionally rely on the comfort and feelings they get from it. And unlike drugs and alcohol, you can’t quit food. It is always there and you will always need to eat- which makes breaking that addiction ever so much harder.

They are, not in whole, but they’re the ones who communicated the dogma to us. They’re the ones who created the diets for patients. Immediately you jump to insulting every fat person, that all of them are pathetic food addicted losers - no, people can’t stop eating. There is no cold turkey for food.

I don’t recall reading or hearing about a lot of food addicted people before the 1990s when the low fat dogma deeply destabilized the diets of millions. Suddenly, the macronutrient that creates satiety without affecting blood sugar was off the table - don’t eat meat (too much saturated fat!), don’t eat avocados (too much fat!), don’t dress your veggies with butter (unhealthy at any amount! Too much fat!), don’t eat nuts (ahhhh! so much fat!), etc.

And here comes the smug RDN on this thread, acting like she has some hotline to god when your ilk is as much to blame for the fat epidemic as anyone. You pushed the message. In school meals, in school programs, in youth programs, on tv shows, county extension services, creating meal plans for post-surgical and post-diagnostic patients.... look around at all the pretty fat people and know that your field helped make them. Because there were people with genetic vulnerabilities and demonizing fat - with fairly shoddy evidence, frankly - put a match to their kindling.

So yeah. I’m annoyed with people who pretend to know but don’t admit what their field did.

It sounds like you need therapy. Did you go see an RD at some point for help losing weight and it didn't work out for you?

Not the PP, but you sound patronizing.

DP. And ignorant. Prior PP was on point re dieticians.

No kidding. I want to go back to the 80s and punch the Snackwells cookie man in the face.

That's how I feel today about the Keto, Atkins, and low-carb dumbass fads. Sorry, but the apple and sweet potato did not make you fat.

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Anonymous wrote:And yet we can't. We really can't. I've done every diet known to man and the weight always comes back.

You eat whatever you want and the weight never increases.

It's genes. Just like being left-handed.

I have two mini goldendoodles. They aren't related. They have the EXACT same lifestyle. One is skinny. The other is plump. Correct that it's genes.

It might be genes that you are a size 10 and will never be a 00. But no one is a size 16+ solely because of genes

I would probably think this if I didn't have the family members to prove otherwise.

Obesity is bad on my dad's side of the family. He's not obese but 3 of his brothers are and 1 of his 2 sisters. I'm average weight as is my brother. Our sister, unfortunately, got the fat genes and has been obese her whole life. Literally, from birth she has been fat. She's one of those babies you see and think is adorable because of all their little rolls. She was 10 lbs. 4 oz. when born and 23 in. long.

We grew up in the same house eating the same foods and yet, she's always been overweight and my brother and I are not. She wasn't given access to more or different foods than we were.

There are others in my family who are like this as well, including a set of twins where one is fat and the other skinny.

Not to nitpick here, but 10 lbs 4 ounces is actually not obese for a 23 inch child, because 23 inches is so long/tall. In fact, by the time the average baby is 23 inches, the baby weights more than 10 lbs 4 ounces.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

She wears a 14 in season, 16 out of season.

Yes, I know a ton of 12/14/16 ... that run marathons and hike and weight lift and are completely fit.

I suspect you just don't know very many women of color.

I do bikram yoga and some 16 plus girls are able to do way more than many skinny girls.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

She wears a 14 in season, 16 out of season.

Yes, I know a ton of 12/14/16 ... that run marathons and hike and weight lift and are completely fit.

I suspect you just don't know very many women of color.

I do bikram yoga and some 16 plus girls are able to do way more than many skinny girls.

I'm a WOC myself, and yes, I know people of various sizes who are active - including myself, who was a 14 teetering on 16, and is now a size 4-6 (thanks, running!).

Still--Serena is *maybe* a 14/16 in the hips/butt, but not in the waist. And still - most American women of all backgrounds who are are a 16 do not look like her whatsoever, so the size is kind of an absurd measure. The same is true for the lower end - a bony, weak size 4 is very different than a fit, athletic size 4.

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Anonymous wrote:^ Gurl there is no way Serena is a size 16, at 5'9"

Even if she did actually wear a size 16, 99.9% of American women who are a size 16 do not come anywhere close to resembling her fitness.

She wears a 14 in season, 16 out of season.

Yes, I know a ton of 12/14/16 ... that run marathons and hike and weight lift and are completely fit.

I suspect you just don't know very many women of color.

I do bikram yoga and some 16 plus girls are able to do way more than many skinny girls.

I'm a WOC myself, and yes, I know people of various sizes who are active - including myself, who was a 14 teetering on 16, and is now a size 4-6 (thanks, running!).

Still--Serena is *maybe* a 14/16 in the hips/butt, but not in the waist. And still - most American women of all backgrounds who are are a 16 do not look like her whatsoever, so the size is kind of an absurd measure. The same is true for the lower end - a bony, weak size 4 is very different than a fit, athletic size 4.

Maybe in your runny group but my martial arts and power lifting group... girls are bigger and healthy.

14/16 doesn't even seem big to me for girls that are 5.9" or taller, it seems kinds small actually.

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Fat person here. This. All day long. I don’t love being fat, I doubt anyone does. But I am so f$#&*%g tired of being looked down on, or ignored, or treated like a second class citizen because people assume I’m lazy, or dumb or whatever else (cue the aholes who will respond to this with those exact comments). Losing weight for me is really, really hard, because I hate going to the gym, have two small children, and yes, I don’t want to spend my life starving myself and working out that I hate just to please society. And I have two young girls that I don’t want to subject to body shaming or make self conscious of their own bodies. My mother obsessed about weight and being fat her whole life, and it has imprinted itself on my brain in negative talk. I do NOT want my daughters dealing with that. So yeah, I have learned to accept my body, teach them that women are beautiful at any size, it’s what’s inside that counts, and anyone who says otherwise can go pound sand.

So you are not lazy but you hate the gym, don't like to exercise, find it too hard to watch what you eat and blame your mom for your current size?

Stop being obnoxious. You know that’s not what she said, but you just twisted it so you can imply she’s lazy. I do not understand why people feel the need to be such bitches to people they do not know.

PP isn't being obnoxious. It's literally what the other PP said. She said she isn't lazy, but then said:

"I hate going to the gym"

"I don't want to spend my life starving myself" (hint: the majority of people don't need to starve themselves to attain a healthy weight -- yes I know SOME do, but not most)

"My mother was obsessed about weight and being fat and it has imprinted itself on my brain" -- blaming her mom

Newsflash: being healthy and working out isn't going to imprint negative, body-shaming crap on your daughters. In fact, it's an excellent example to show them.

All true. And your daughters will likely be overweight too and not because it's generic, because they are learning your habits. Not that that is the worse thing in the world, but it is as if you know your girls will be overweight and you are preparing them for that instead of trying to change the trajectory and teach them good habits and healthy lifestyle

And how is that your problem? You and PP are fat shaming her.

How is suggesting she should go to the gym, stop blaming her mom, and eat better fat shaming?

Because it implies she isn’t fit at all (you can be fit without going to the gym), that she blames her mother (didn’t sound like it to me, she was explaining somyto you and that she eats trash (she just said she doesn’t want to starve herself, she doesn’t say she eats like a pig or eats bad foods). Do you see how what you said is perceived as fat shaming?

Original PP here. While I appreciate you, immediate PP and the others defending me, don’t bother. These are the aholes I knew would get around to responding to my post eventually. If they need to feel superior by slamming others, just feel sad for them. You are right that I now eat well, and am plenty active with my kids. But the reality is that to lose a large amount of weight would require hours a day at the gym and not eating any fat, sugar, etc. - something my gurls would definitely notice. And I’m sure even if I lost a lot of the weight, it still wouldn’t be enough for people like the PPs who live to judge others. Enjoy your day.