New Year Eve's Coordinated Sexual Assault Attacks in Cologne

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Anonymous wrote:Why is this under "Political Discussion?"

Why not?

Where else would you put it? A crime forum? It is a PC or political correctness issue. I was really surprised when the WP had pictures of perps on the metro who beat a reporter's husband. How many days did it take the media to get oK's to publish the articles in europe?

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This is the beginning of a true rape culture. I was not born a woman in the 21st century in the modern world to have to cloister myself in my home because barbarians decided to impose their backward culture on us and leaders too cowardly to act.

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Anonymous wrote:Most women in the US feel safe to go to public areas in crowds in general, especially with their families. Please show us an example otherwise.

Most German women do as well. What is your point?

Not the PP, but many women in Germany don't feel safe anymore. I know quite a few folks in different parts, and all agree that the influx of migrants made things kinda hellish. I heard stories about migrants breaking house windows and demanding food, I think I wrote about this here.

Anyway, yes, rapes happen everyday, pretty much everywhere. So? It makes it okay? I don't get the point of the deflection.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/cologne-new-year-gang-assaults-victim-18-says-up-to-30-men-groped-and-robbed-her-and-her-11-friends-a6798946.html

Describing her harrowing ordeal, Michelle was quoted by MailOnline as saying: “At around 11pm we were at the main train station and wanted to travel on to see the fireworks and that was when we first noticed all these men standing around.

“We managed to go into the cathedral and wanted to go past the Museum Ludwig to join everyone and watch the fireworks by the river, but suddenly we were surrounded by a group of between 20 and 30 men,” she reportedly added.

Michelle told N-TV that her terrified friends linked arms for safety, but their attackers were “full of anger” and tried pulling them off in separate directions. When that failed the men began groping the young women and stealing items from their pockets, including mobile phones.

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Where's the outrage over all the rapes happening at Oktoberfest and Karnival/ Fasching in Germany every single year? By our "good" German boys. If you've been at any of these events as a woman in Germany, you know what I'm taking about.

Sorry. Been there and don't know what you are talking about. Sure, it is wild and inappropriate--but strangers attacking you? No.

+1. I used to live in Germany, and I attended both Oktoberfest and Karnival, and I didn't experience, see, read, or hear about strangers attacking at these events. So, no, I don't know what you are talking about.

Just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not happening to others. Again, pick up a newspaper or read the statistics. It's a thing, sadly. I don't think I've ever been to Fasching without being groped. Same goes for Oktoberfest.

There are crimes committed including sexual assault and rape at Oktoberfest -- 660 out of 3.3m people in 2014.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11127814/British-man-raped-at-Germanys-Oktoberfest.html

If 100 people were attacked or assaulted at Cologne, the incidence was at least 10X higher.

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^^^ Correction, over 6m people at Oktoberfest.

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Its unbelievable that a code of conduct was issued for women after this event instead of a crackdown on the perps. Where's the outraged feminists when you need them.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, is that it this behavior typically isn't punished in Muslim/Indian cultures. If anything the victim is sent to jail. The perpetrators are accustomed to their rights as men. This outrage has come to light in recent years.

Pls don't mix Indian and Arab cultures. Two different things. There is no "cultural" repression in IndiA and there are penalties to pay for crimes. The root of all issues there is economic disparity, which fortunately is changing. Women are free to be who they want. People are empowered to speak up and fight for justice. And justice is many times served more efficiently than many developed countries

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Anonymous wrote:This seems like a general cultural problem of some Middle Eastern men, not just Muslims. Look at this horrible case with a gang of Iraqi Christians in Detroit

http://www.law.ou.edu/sites/default/files/files/FACULTY/03%20Rose.pdf

Why is this?

As with the mass rape cases in Rotherham England, there seems to be a pattern where some of these criminal gangs target women and girls from outside their ethnic group. It is at the least a hate crime against women.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, is that it this behavior typically isn't punished in Muslim/Indian cultures. If anything the victim is sent to jail. The perpetrators are accustomed to their rights as men. This outrage has come to light in recent years.

Pls don't mix Indian and Arab cultures. Two different things. There is no "cultural" repression in IndiA and there are penalties to pay for crimes. The root of all issues there is economic disparity, which fortunately is changing. Women are free to be who they want. People are empowered to speak up and fight for justice. And justice is many times served more efficiently than many developed countries

Wasn't that a famous Indian case where public was outraged about lack of justice for the rape victim? I wish I remembered what actually happened, but I'm pretty sure it was India.

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Anonymous wrote:Its unbelievable that a code of conduct was issued for women after this event instead of a crackdown on the perps. Where's the outraged feminists when you need them.

Shame on the German politicians for this. They must protect their own citizens, for God's sake.

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Anonymous wrote:The thing is, is that it this behavior typically isn't punished in Muslim/Indian cultures. If anything the victim is sent to jail. The perpetrators are accustomed to their rights as men. This outrage has come to light in recent years.

Pls don't mix Indian and Arab cultures. Two different things. There is no "cultural" repression in IndiA and there are penalties to pay for crimes. The root of all issues there is economic disparity, which fortunately is changing. Women are free to be who they want. People are empowered to speak up and fight for justice. And justice is many times served more efficiently than many developed countries

Wasn't that a famous Indian case where public was outraged about lack of justice for the rape victim? I wish I remembered what actually happened, but I'm pretty sure it was India.

All but the juvenile accused were hanged... Within a year.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the beginning of a true rape culture. I was not born a woman in the 21st century in the modern world to have to cloister myself in my home because barbarians decided to impose their backward culture on us and leaders too cowardly to act.

I agree but will say I have many Persian friends who are very westernized and left many years ago and do not fall into the stereotype that many other middle easterners do. This is not immigration from Europe with people of similar values. These immigrants and refugees are coming from countries that many have sharia law and don't allow women to drive or show their face or body! It is scary and Europe netter change their policies to protect their citizens.

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According to German newspapers, the mob consisted of mostly African, North African and Arab males.

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Anonymous wrote:The hyperbole in this thread is strong. First of all, so far all you have is rumors. And a picture of some "foreign" (aka not Arian) looking people gathered in a train station on NYE (which is bound to be incredibly crowded anyway). I have lived in Europe for many years and what is being described has been done by gypsies for many years (who, btw, are Christian). I also recall a few incidents involving teenagers doing the same thing in the US, even recently. So until we know more, I suggest not accusing the segment of the population that fits your narrative.

Gypsies don't run in throngs and throw themselves at you.

There may be two "working" as a pair, trying to scam people. But they don't grope you.

And they're sooo Christian. in name only . . . Give me a break.

PP, I spent most of my life in Eastern Europe, I know exactly what I am talking about.

I live in Eastern Europe right now, and I also know exactly what I am talking about: gypsies do NOT commit gang rapes and are not known for sexual violence. There are problems in the Roma community with theft, but NOT sex crimes. If you think otherwise, you didn't spend most of your life in Eastern Europe.

This is correct. -Former European resident

There was no gang rape committed in Cologne either. It was harassment. But yeah, hyperbole.

And LOL at gypsies are not known for sexual violence. They are, just like whites, and Asians, and middle easterners and every human race/nationality etc. is. Being part of a certain category does not automatically incriminate you nor exclude you from incrimination. But keep generalizing and extrapolating. And I call BS on the European residence, or you've been there a very short time.

1. Come on, PP, you know what "known for" means. Gypsies AREN'T "known for" sexual violence, which means it is not a common noted behavior in crimes reported as being committed by Roma. This is a fact. It doesn't mean that SOME Roma don't commit sex crimes, but that their culture isn't "known for" it. There are crimes committed within the Roma culture, but the frequency of sex-related crimes among them is lower than the frequency of sex-related crimes in other cultures.

2. One of my good friends works for a charity that does outreach in the Roma community near Kosice, Slovakia. I actually know quite a lot about this.

3. I've lived in Europe for a decade, in three different countries. I don't know why you "call BS on European residence", unless it is because I am refuting your points? I'm posting from an Eastern European country right now. There are plenty of gypsies here. There are currently a group of them gathered in front of the grocery store I can see from my window, actually, though I'm sure the police will be along soon to send them on their way.

Gypsies are better known for robbery and theft. They're ubiquitous in public places in many European cities. What's especially reprehensible is the way they draft their children into committing crimes.