FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.

But those classes aren't sex segregated. Keep up.

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Anonymous wrote:Read the text yourself parents, make your own decisions, and provide input, whether you support or disagree with these changes.

https://www.fcps.edu/node/33908?utm_campaign+=&utm_medium=email&utm_source=govdelivery

WOW. Are they saying that boys and girls would not be having separate FLE classes anymore? That they'll all be in the same class? That is absurd. No one will want to ask questions if they're in a coed class. What on earth is wrong with acknowledging basic biological differences?? I keep thinking this school system and SB can't be any more insane, and they just keep surprising me.

The younger kids are when knowing facts about male/female bodies, the less awkward it will be when it gets brought up in a mixed class. Why the heck wouldn't you want your kid to be fully informed and comfortable knowing the facts? Why the girls only/boys only mentality? I was raised conservative Catholic, am a woman married to a man with "traditional" values, have kids, and honestly don't get why people are so worked up about what FLE their kids get for a few minutes a year if you are living and modeling a life and values at home for their whole lives. After any class - languge arts, history, civics, FLE - talk at home about what your family thinks is appropriate behavior and choices, and why.

Teacher here. FLE is uncomfortable as it is but I can tell you the kids will not feel comfortable asking questions. Secondly, a lot of the concerns girls usually have have to do with getting their period. Girls will not feel comfortable talking openly with boys in the room and vice versa. They can barely look at each other after FLE. Combing genders 4-6 is not what is best for kids.

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You'd think this would be a no-brainer, but apparently there is a serious lack of brainpower regarding this issue.

You would think so, but I would assume certain outliers and which group with whom they would sit are the issue they are trying to address.

Exactly. So let’s uproot an entire program and make everyone uncomfortable for a few outliers who may or may not even exist at elementary. This is bonkers. I am voting straight Republican this November.

100% this.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Great post.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

FLE talks about A LOT more than anatomy. The physical stuff is actually just a small part of it. Which you would know if you had a kid in FCPS...
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

"Virginia's standards for family life education provide a comprehensive, sequential K-12 curriculum. They include age-appropriate instruction in family living and community relationships, abstinence education, the value of postponing sexual activity, the benefits of adoption as a positive choice in the event of an unwanted pregnancy, human sexuality and human reproduction. Instruction is designed to promote parental involvement, foster positive self concepts and provide mechanisms for coping with peer pressure and the stresses of modern living according to the students' developmental stages and abilities. Parents have the right to review the complete family life curricula, including all supplemental materials used in any family life education program."


There is no "debate" in FLE. Transgender people exist. Acknowledging that will only help people, not hurt them.

Obviously these changes go against the state standards as it is not age appropriate to have boys and girls together for elementary school sex ed.

That's not true. We had combined classes back in the 80s before the religious nutters got involved.

Also...
"The National Association of School Psychologists (2021) position statement of Comprehensive
and Inclusive Sexuality Education “supports that all children, including those representing all
racial/ethnic backgrounds, genders, gender identities, sexual orientations, abilities, and
disabilities should have access to evidence supported, comprehensive, developmentally
appropriate, accurate, and inclusive sexuality education.” Separation of students by boys and
girls does not create an inclusive environment for instruction to occur. Dividing students into boys
and girls classes sends a message that bodies different than their own should not be talked about
and are mysterious. When students are separated by boys and girls, it affirms a rigid binary
based on anatomy. (Gender Spectrum, 2019) The practice of segregating students by gender is
not inclusive of lesbian, gay, bisexual, queer, intersex, and gender diverse students. (NASP,
2021) The benefits for gender inclusive instruction include recognizing and affirming all students
(Gender Spectrum, 2019), students gaining understanding of their own development, receiving
accurate information about the prevention of STIs and pregnancy, and understanding how to
access treatment and resources if needed. (NASP, 2021) In a gender combined class students
also have opportunity to learn about individuals who are different from themselves and practice
communicating about sensitive topics building skills that will be important to healthy relationships.
(Gender Spectrum, 2019) Currently, there is no available research to support the practice of
gender-segregated instruction. It is plausible that some students would be more comfortable in a
gender segregated class. However, even in a gender segregated class, some students may be
uncomfortable based on the content or with other students present in the room. (Gender
Spectrum, 2019)"

And they list many other school districts, including local, that do have combined classes.

People get periods, erections, masturbate, etc. There is no reason why discussing any of that should be taboo.

DP. Seriously? Of course people gets periods (that is, females get periods) and erections (that is, males get erections) and masturbate (everyone). And of course all humans should learn about these things that happen to our bodies. None of it is “taboo.” However, it is pretty much guaranteed that a coed class learning about the intimate workings of our bodies is not going to be a place where *anyone* will want to ask questions. By combining sexes, you are actually making the “taboo” part of this even more pronounced and awkward. Exactly what we should want to avoid when teaching about sex. Let the kids learn and ask questions in the privacy of single-sex classrooms. To do otherwise is beyond foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

DP. In what way is “gender” discussed in elementary school?

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

+ a million

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.

Uh, no.

Not one person in this thread is complaining about boys and girls sitting next to each other during things like the don't talk to internet strangers and don't do drugs lessons.

This thread is about the specific human growth and development fle lessons that fcps is now combining boys and girls.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.

Uh, no.

Not one person in this thread is complaining about boys and girls sitting next to each other during things like the don't talk to internet strangers and don't do drugs lessons.

This thread is about the specific human growth and development fle lessons that fcps is now combining boys and girls.

+1
Amazing how the PP keeps moving the goalposts.

Side note - I remember when my then 7th grade son came home from school after one of the more “in-depth” FLE classes. He said it was the worst, most embarrassing day of his life. I can only imagine how painfully awkward that would have been had boys and girls been in a combined class.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.

Uh, no.

Not one person in this thread is complaining about boys and girls sitting next to each other during things like the don't talk to internet strangers and don't do drugs lessons.

This thread is about the specific human growth and development fle lessons that fcps is now combining boys and girls.

No, the PP above was complaining about the content of FLE.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

They are proposing to drop this lesson.

DP. Why? It is very instructive for boys to see how to perform a testicular exam. Girls should not have to watch that.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.

Uh, no.

Not one person in this thread is complaining about boys and girls sitting next to each other during things like the don't talk to internet strangers and don't do drugs lessons.

This thread is about the specific human growth and development fle lessons that fcps is now combining boys and girls.

+1
Amazing how the PP keeps moving the goalposts.

Side note - I remember when my then 7th grade son came home from school after one of the more “in-depth” FLE classes. He said it was the worst, most embarrassing day of his life. I can only imagine how painfully awkward that would have been had boys and girls been in a combined class.

No - you're having a different discussion. The PP above was commenting on the content of FLE, not separated vs. combined.

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This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

The recent comments are following this comment:
"Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones."

Try to keep up.