FCPS new FLE curriculum

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

The recent comments are following this comment:
"Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones."

Try to keep up.

For the classes they are proposing to change which are the sex ed ones. Not internet safety. Just read the proposed changes will you?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

The recent comments are following this comment:
"Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones."

Try to keep up.

For the classes they are proposing to change which are the sex ed ones. Not internet safety. Just read the proposed changes will you?

The person you are arguing with is simply trolling the thread, with no connection to fcps.

Best to not engage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

The recent comments are following this comment:
"Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones."

Try to keep up.

For the classes they are proposing to change which are the sex ed ones. Not internet safety. Just read the proposed changes will you?

FLE is more than the one unit.

Even within the HG&D unit, it's not all "biological".

[Anonymous]

Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

[Anonymous]

The old boy/girl classes included a deeper dive into Boy Puberty Changes and Girl Puberty Changes, respectively, and merging the two together means that they can't do this in parallel - it must be done sequentially. Are they going to be cutting out some of the FLE material or will they cut out something else to increase the time allotted to FLE, or will they bend time and space so that there will be no trade-offs?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

It does when you are talking about the “new” curriculum. We aren’t rehashing the old curriculum. Just the changes to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

Sorry, but you’re wrong on that. You just are. Have you previewed Lessons 1-3 from the 5 lessons of HG&D? Or Lessons 1&2 for 4th graders? They all include physical components of the bodies, complete with diagrams and labels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

Sorry, but you’re wrong on that. You just are. Have you previewed Lessons 1-3 from the 5 lessons of HG&D? Or Lessons 1&2 for 4th graders? They all include physical components of the bodies, complete with diagrams and labels.

And to add, the diagram stays up the entire lesson, which is scripted for the teacher. It all about biological topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

Sorry, but you’re wrong on that. You just are. Have you previewed Lessons 1-3 from the 5 lessons of HG&D? Or Lessons 1&2 for 4th graders? They all include physical components of the bodies, complete with diagrams and labels.

So it's like 1-2 days out of the whole HG&D/FLE? Again, they cover more than that in HG&D and certainly in FLE, which was the original comment above. Funny how the goalposts keep moving.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Most people are talking about HG&D when they say FLE, fyi. The issue is the HG&D (aka sex ed) lessons are now possibly going to be taught in combined gender classes starting next year. But we all refer to these sex ed lessons as “FLE,” even though technically FLE includes more. No one is talking about internet safety or drug lessons.

OK. But even in that one unit (of many) they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence, etc. Very little time spent on physical body parts.

My whole point was that, in the entire FLE/HG&D curriculum, very little time is actually spent on "biological" topics. So PP saying "keep it all biological" doesn't make sense.

Sorry, but you’re wrong on that. You just are. Have you previewed Lessons 1-3 from the 5 lessons of HG&D? Or Lessons 1&2 for 4th graders? They all include physical components of the bodies, complete with diagrams and labels.

So it's like 1-2 days out of the whole HG&D/FLE? Again, they cover more than that in HG&D and certainly in FLE, which was the original comment above. Funny how the goalposts keep moving.

You really are ignorant I guess. There are exactly 5 lessons for HG&D for 5th and 6th grade, which make up part of FLE. They usually do these 5 lessons M-Fri in December, right before winter break, or the week before spring break. As stated earlier, people use the phrase “FLE” when they really mean sex Ed. There are 2 lessons of HG&D in 4th grade. They usually teach these on Th & Fri before winter break or the Th&Fri before spring break. These particular lessons, called HG&D (which are part of the larger FLE curriculum which no one actually cares about) currently are gender separate. Nobody wants to combine genders for these specific sex ed lessons. The changes being proposed would only affect these 5 lessons. The 5 lessons are all about the physical aspects of the body. Lessons 1&2 include diagrams of the male and female body and focus on puberty changes. Lesson 3 reviews puberty and introduces conception. Lesson 4 is all about STDs. And Lesson 5 is about abstinence.

It’s clear from your responses you actually have no idea what the curriculum is so no one can take you seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This discussion is about the changes to the FLE curriculum. There is a dumb poster who obviously hasn't read the proposed changes and just keeps commenting without any relevance.

The recent comments are following this comment:
"Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones."

Try to keep up.

For the classes they are proposing to change which are the sex ed ones. Not internet safety. Just read the proposed changes will you?

The person you are arguing with is simply trolling the thread, with no connection to fcps.

Best to not engage.

You keep saying that but you are the republicans troll. Stop.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

That’s one of the changes you idiot. That video is gone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

That’s one of the changes you idiot. That video is gone.

Just because that video is gone doesn’t mean we are comfortable combining boys and girls for the lessons now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

Are you kidding?

10th grade boys watch a 10 minute l9ng video of a naked adult man taking a shower then giving himself a testicular exam in the shower, with the camera focused primarily on his hands, penis and scrotum.

Boys and girls need to be separated for lessons such as this.

That’s one of the changes you idiot. That video is gone.

Just because that video is gone doesn’t mean we are comfortable combining boys and girls for the lessons now.

+1
And frankly, that video should remain and all boys should view it. It's informative and factual. The fact that they would remove this video in order to have a coed class is ludicrous - like everything else FCPS proposes. As for the PP - it's clear who the idiot is.