FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is there some crazy lady on here accusing people of not having kids in FCPS just because we don't agree with her???

Because PPs sound like they don't have a clue what is covered in FLE.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

This is not the FCPS curriculum.

If you have read the fcps FLE curriculum, you will see that much of it is about biological changes to the body.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

This is not the FCPS curriculum.

If you have read the fcps FLE curriculum, you will see that much of it is about biological changes to the body.

No, FCPS covers at least this material that is required by VA DOE. They might add some extras, but these are the required topics.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

This is not the FCPS curriculum.

If you have read the fcps FLE curriculum, you will see that much of it is about biological changes to the body.

No, FCPS covers at least this material that is required by VA DOE. They might add some extras, but these are the required topics.

Do you even have a kid in fcps? It sounds like you are not familiar with fcps fle curriculum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

No, FCPS has had the same 5 lessons for ages for FLE. All that other stuff is not included in those 5 lessons I am talking about. This is specifically the HG&D unit.

So one unit out of many topics covered in FLE. And even in that unit they talk about stages of pregnancy/human growth, contraceptives, STDs, abstinence (lol), etc. Very little covers physical body parts.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

This is not the sex Ed part that has been separated. How much of what you wrote above has been previously separated? We are talking about the girl only and boy only classes which to my knowledge have been separated by sex based on biology.

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FCPS is talking about combining certain lessons that are now sex specific together. They are not talking about changing other fle classes in this same way so I don’t know why people are lumping them together.

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS is talking about combining certain lessons that are now sex specific together. They are not talking about changing other fle classes in this same way so I don’t know why people are lumping them together.

PP was complaining about FLE, not a lesson or two in one unit.

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

This is not the FCPS curriculum.

If you have read the fcps FLE curriculum, you will see that much of it is about biological changes to the body.

No, FCPS covers at least this material that is required by VA DOE. They might add some extras, but these are the required topics.

Do you even have a kid in fcps? It sounds like you are not familiar with fcps fle curriculum.

+1 the proposed changes are for the 5 lessons during the Human Growth and Development unit. That is where they most certainly are talking about physical changes. People don’t want boys and girls combined for these lessons. These are the puberty and sex lessons.

They aren’t talking about internet safety in these lessons at all.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

You clearly don't know about FLE - very little of it is the physical topics.

It hasn’t changed much since I taught it myself. It very much is based on biology and the physical structure of male and female, including diagrams.

Sounds like it's changed a lot since you've taught it. When was that, 30 years ago?

If you've had a kid take FLE in the last decade or so, you'd realize that very little of it is about physical stuff. They spend a lot of time on relationships - friends & family, feelings, consent, media & internet safety, substance abuse, coping skills, parenting info, goal setting, etc. All of the physical stuff gets thrown together in short units. They don't spend a lot of time on it.

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with the current curriculum:
https://doe.virginia.gov/instruction/family_life_education/index.shtml

Lol. Sounds like you have no idea what goes on in FCPS.

I have a MS and HS kid - I know what happens in FLE. There is a lot more to it than the PP was complaining about.