PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think you should be allowed to drink green beer unless you're irish so please refrain from doing so. Also no polka dancing unless you are polish.

Are those sacred things?

We’re asking you all to be respectful of our sacred traditions.

BTW the polka is a Polish American thing, and only trickled back to Poland from the US (like US styled St Patrick’s Day trickled back to Ireland). I think the polka originated with the Czechs(?). So not a great example.

It’s also not sacred, to my knowledge.

Passover is an important holiday that’s steeped in the telling of our story as a Jewish people.

Christmas is (to some) and Easter is (to many). Some Jewish celebrate these two in some fashion. Some celebrate with Santa and bunnies, but it's a celebration. My entire point is to try not to worry or take offense to how some people practice their religion (and i'm not talking burning crosses ffs).

I'm cutting out now.

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Anonymous wrote:The privilege on display here is sad, but unsurprising.

Newsflash: You can go do whatever you want in your own home and in your own house of worship, too!

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

Are you a KKK member?

If it’s the expression of my religion, then I should be able to do it, right? Under your logic.

Are you a using the cross to burn on a Black person's yard? If so, than you will be arrested for a hate crime.

1. Plenty of Jews had crosses burned by the KKK near them to intimidate them.

2. I posited it as part of a religious expression, not to intimidate anyone.

NP. You did not offend me from a religious standpoint, but you deeply offended me from a racial standpoint. I will give you the opportunity to apologize. Will you take the opportunity?

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

Are you a KKK member?

If it’s the expression of my religion, then I should be able to do it, right? Under your logic.

Are you a using the cross to burn on a Black person's yard? If so, than you will be arrested for a hate crime.

1. Plenty of Jews had crosses burned by the KKK near them to intimidate them.

2. I posited it as part of a religious expression, not to intimidate anyone.

NP. You did not offend me from a religious standpoint, but you deeply offended me from a racial standpoint. I will give you the opportunity to apologize. Will you take the opportunity?

How did I offend you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The privilege on display here is sad, but unsurprising.

Newsflash: You can go do whatever you want in your own home and in your own house of worship, too!

Newsflash: it’s not ok to appropriate people’s cultures or religions.

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To my fellow Christians using the fact that many non-Christians celebrate Easter or Christmas as a reason why they should be able to celebrate Passover, why are you claiming to do something that is clearly offensive and not part of our faith tradition? Do you honestly think this furthers the Gospel message? It’s mean, spiteful, and ignorant. If you feel you must participate in a Seder, befriend a Jewish family. They may invite you. You can also watch a Seder from Central Synagogue in NY on JBS at 6:00 tomorrow evening as well. I plan to.
I really hope that those in favor of Christian communities celebrating Passover are a few trolls and nothing else. It’s shameful appropriation.

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Non-Christians don’t celebrate Easter, to my knowledge.

Christmas trees and Santa aren’t religious.

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

Are you a KKK member?

If it’s the expression of my religion, then I should be able to do it, right? Under your logic.

Are you a using the cross to burn on a Black person's yard? If so, than you will be arrested for a hate crime.

1. Plenty of Jews had crosses burned by the KKK near them to intimidate them.

2. I posited it as part of a religious expression, not to intimidate anyone.

NP. You did not offend me from a religious standpoint, but you deeply offended me from a racial standpoint. I will give you the opportunity to apologize. Will you take the opportunity?

How did I offend you?

Are you a troll? Burning a cross on a Black person's yard is a crime! Why would you do that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a subversion of a sacred Jewish tradition. That’s why it’s offensive.

Would you question why a Muslim finds people drawing Mohammed offensive? Or why a Christian would find burning the Cross offensive?

But Christians trying to celebrate a Passover are not drawing offensive pictures or burning Jewish symbols. They are viewing it as something sacred and observing it as respectfully as they know how. I understand that many Jewish posters feel that they are doing it incorrectly and that to do it at all is inappropriate, but they are doing so to honor a part of their religious heritage which has tremendous meaning for them.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be if a Christian would find it offensive if a non-Christian practiced Baptism or the Lord's Supper as part of another religion's observance. I won't speak for all Christians, but personally, while I might view it as misguided and ineffective, I would not take offense at sincere, reverent worship.

Ugh. You don't get that it is offensive that Christians need to insert Jesus into EVERYTHING. It's not about doing it incorrectly. It's about subsuming into the Christian religion.

If they really cared about learning about Judaism/Passover, they would go to a Jewish seder. There are loads they can attend! Lots of temples hold them, and Jewish families host non-Jews at Passover regularly.

It's turning the Passover seder into a Jesus- centered holiday that is offensive. Now do you get it?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a subversion of a sacred Jewish tradition. That’s why it’s offensive.

Would you question why a Muslim finds people drawing Mohammed offensive? Or why a Christian would find burning the Cross offensive?

But Christians trying to celebrate a Passover are not drawing offensive pictures or burning Jewish symbols. They are viewing it as something sacred and observing it as respectfully as they know how. I understand that many Jewish posters feel that they are doing it incorrectly and that to do it at all is inappropriate, but they are doing so to honor a part of their religious heritage which has tremendous meaning for them.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be if a Christian would find it offensive if a non-Christian practiced Baptism or the Lord's Supper as part of another religion's observance. I won't speak for all Christians, but personally, while I might view it as misguided and ineffective, I would not take offense at sincere, reverent worship.

Ugh. You don't get that it is offensive that Christians need to insert Jesus into EVERYTHING. It's not about doing it incorrectly. It's about subsuming into the Christian religion.

If they really cared about learning about Judaism/Passover, they would go to a Jewish seder. There are loads they can attend! Lots of temples hold them, and Jewish families host non-Jews at Passover regularly.

It's turning the Passover seder into a Jesus- centered holiday that is offensive. Now do you get it?

do you get you can't control what other people do?

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Anonymous wrote:At my church, we have a Passover gathering. It is not a Seder.

There is a reading from the book of Exodus, followed by a brief prayer, followed by a simple meal of soup and bread that is available to the entire community, including those in need of a meal.

That's it. It's not a Seder. It is a recognition of Passover and of God's mercy and protection.

That is part of my religious observance as a Christian. I will observe my religious traditions as I see fit.

ok, call it an Exodus meal.

I don't have to call it anything to please you. Neither does my pastor or my church community. We are having Passover Supper. Literally all are welcome. It's gonna be what it's gonna be, and if you don't like it, you don't have to attend.

Nice to see you being so respectful of other people.

How is it respectful for YOU to try to tell others what to call gatherings held at THEIR church? Tell me how that is respectful.

The whole "as long as" or "well then do this" attitude of some on this thread is extremely disrespectful. It's basically mansplaining, if you will. I am part of a faith community that traditionally hosts a Passover Supper. You don't have to approve of that. You don't have to like that. It doesn't have to please you.

Just like the Jewish practice of circumcision (which yes, I know is practiced by many religions, including Christianity) doesn't have to please me. It's not a choice I made for my family, but I'm not out here criticizing or telling you not to or giving you conditions. You do you. I do me. That's respect.

I posted several articles explaining why it’s disrespectful.

Maybe read them and learn.

Would you like it if someone burned a Cross under the guise of their religion?

Are you a KKK member?

If it’s the expression of my religion, then I should be able to do it, right? Under your logic.

Are you a using the cross to burn on a Black person's yard? If so, than you will be arrested for a hate crime.

1. Plenty of Jews had crosses burned by the KKK near them to intimidate them.

2. I posited it as part of a religious expression, not to intimidate anyone.

NP. You did not offend me from a religious standpoint, but you deeply offended me from a racial standpoint. I will give you the opportunity to apologize. Will you take the opportunity?

How did I offend you?

Are you a troll? Burning a cross on a Black person's yard is a crime! Why would you do that?

Where on earth did you see me suggest that??

I was positing it as a form of religion expression. It would be nowhere near a black person.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a subversion of a sacred Jewish tradition. That’s why it’s offensive.

Would you question why a Muslim finds people drawing Mohammed offensive? Or why a Christian would find burning the Cross offensive?

But Christians trying to celebrate a Passover are not drawing offensive pictures or burning Jewish symbols. They are viewing it as something sacred and observing it as respectfully as they know how. I understand that many Jewish posters feel that they are doing it incorrectly and that to do it at all is inappropriate, but they are doing so to honor a part of their religious heritage which has tremendous meaning for them.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be if a Christian would find it offensive if a non-Christian practiced Baptism or the Lord's Supper as part of another religion's observance. I won't speak for all Christians, but personally, while I might view it as misguided and ineffective, I would not take offense at sincere, reverent worship.

Ugh. You don't get that it is offensive that Christians need to insert Jesus into EVERYTHING. It's not about doing it incorrectly. It's about subsuming into the Christian religion.

If they really cared about learning about Judaism/Passover, they would go to a Jewish seder. There are loads they can attend! Lots of temples hold them, and Jewish families host non-Jews at Passover regularly.

It's turning the Passover seder into a Jesus- centered holiday that is offensive. Now do you get it?

do you get you can't control what other people do?

We certainly can’t control whether you choose to be offensive. You’ve made that clear.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The privilege on display here is sad, but unsurprising.

Newsflash: You can go do whatever you want in your own home and in your own house of worship, too!

Newsflash: it’s not ok to appropriate people’s cultures or religions.

Yes it is. It has been happening since the dawn of time. Culture and religion are non-rival goods, that means that my enjoying it does not reduce your ability to enjoy it.
Every part of our culture has been appropriated from someone else.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The privilege on display here is sad, but unsurprising.

Newsflash: You can go do whatever you want in your own home and in your own house of worship, too!

Newsflash: it’s not ok to appropriate people’s cultures or religions.

Yes it is. It has been happening since the dawn of time. Culture and religion are non-rival goods, that means that my enjoying it does not reduce your ability to enjoy it.
Every part of our culture has been appropriated from someone else.

Trying to understand where your line is. Can I appropriate a sacred Native American ritual because I consider it part of my religion? Is that ok?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s a subversion of a sacred Jewish tradition. That’s why it’s offensive.

Would you question why a Muslim finds people drawing Mohammed offensive? Or why a Christian would find burning the Cross offensive?

But Christians trying to celebrate a Passover are not drawing offensive pictures or burning Jewish symbols. They are viewing it as something sacred and observing it as respectfully as they know how. I understand that many Jewish posters feel that they are doing it incorrectly and that to do it at all is inappropriate, but they are doing so to honor a part of their religious heritage which has tremendous meaning for them.

Perhaps a better hypothetical would be if a Christian would find it offensive if a non-Christian practiced Baptism or the Lord's Supper as part of another religion's observance. I won't speak for all Christians, but personally, while I might view it as misguided and ineffective, I would not take offense at sincere, reverent worship.

Except the last supper wasn’t even a Passover Seder. So it’s inaccurate to say it has meaning for them.

Actually it was. Only obscure historians have argued (because they need something to write about) that it may not have been.