Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show

[Anonymous]

The first article I read about this awful accident right after it happened said that the grandfather lifted her up onto the guardrail but then stumbled and lost his hold on her. That makes a lot more sense to me. I think he purposely picked the open window. I don’t think it was random that he happened to lift her up to the only open window in that row.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The first article I read about this awful accident right after it happened said that the grandfather lifted her up onto the guardrail but then stumbled and lost his hold on her. That makes a lot more sense to me. I think he purposely picked the open window. I don’t think it was random that he happened to lift her up to the only open window in that row.

Grandpa changed his story as soon as the lawyer got involved. That’s a big part of why people are so appalled at the family’s behavior. Grandpa made a horrific mistake that killed his grandchild. Own it. Stop placing blame where it doesn’t belong.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first article I read about this awful accident right after it happened said that the grandfather lifted her up onto the guardrail but then stumbled and lost his hold on her. That makes a lot more sense to me. I think he purposely picked the open window. I don’t think it was random that he happened to lift her up to the only open window in that row.

Grandpa changed his story as soon as the lawyer got involved. That’s a big part of why people are so appalled at the family’s behavior. Grandpa made a horrific mistake that killed his grandchild. Own it. Stop placing blame where it doesn’t belong.

I bet the part about her leaning forward to bang on the glass is true. She probably did think there was glass, leaned forward and that is when Grandpa lost his hold on her. This case is similar to the one where the mother picked up her son to see into the painted dog enclosure and he fell. She lost her grip and he fell into the enclosure where he was immediately killed by the animals. In that case the zoo settled despite there being warning signs. I’m sure that RC will settle.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The first article I read about this awful accident right after it happened said that the grandfather lifted her up onto the guardrail but then stumbled and lost his hold on her. That makes a lot more sense to me. I think he purposely picked the open window. I don’t think it was random that he happened to lift her up to the only open window in that row.

Grandpa changed his story as soon as the lawyer got involved. That’s a big part of why people are so appalled at the family’s behavior. Grandpa made a horrific mistake that killed his grandchild. Own it. Stop placing blame where it doesn’t belong.

I bet the part about her leaning forward to bang on the glass is true. She probably did think there was glass, leaned forward and that is when Grandpa lost his hold on her. This case is similar to the one where the mother picked up her son to see into the painted dog enclosure and he fell. She lost her grip and he fell into the enclosure where he was immediately killed by the animals. In that case the zoo settled despite there being warning signs. I’m sure that RC will settle.

I don’t. If that really was what happened it would have been in the first statement, not in the one where Grandpa changed his story and was what was released by the lawyer. Generally our first thoughts/words are the truth.

I find it interesting that RC hasn’t settled yet. There were a lot of comments in the other thread about the ship not being subject to US laws. And unlike the Disney case, the public doesn’t seem to be behind this family. RC may just let this drag out. It’s not impacting the cruising business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

this did not occur in a child's play area

[Anonymous]

I think grandpa was on some kind of medication. They say he wasn’t drinking but perhaps something else. I wouldn’t be surprised if PR charged him with reckless negligence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

Screens are an American thing. Go to Europe and you won’t find them. They have rather large windows that unlock and either swing open or tilt open.

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Anonymous wrote:You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

Screens are an American thing. Go to Europe and you won’t find them. They have rather large windows that unlock and either swing open or tilt open.

Screens also aren’t going to keep a child from falling.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Cruises keep security videos?

Yes, there is video of this incident that the cruise ship has. It is mentioned in the other thread about this situation. The family was offered to watch the video, but they declined.

Whoa. So they know that something isn't right about their lawsuit?

To be fair would you watch a video of your child’s death?

I think it’s interesting that they now don’t want to see it when initially they wanted the footage. I guess since the days have passed they now realized it doesn’t make sense to watch Grandpa intentionally prop the child up in front of an open window and then drop her. They know the video documents his negligence.

There’s no way I could watch that footage. A friend’s child died in a fire and she identified the body herself. She says she has always regretted seeing her child like that.

This rips my heart out. Your friend is very brave.

[Anonymous]

Play area or bar area - doesn’t matter. There should not have been any open window that high. Period.

[Anonymous]

Did you all know that there are about 140 deaths of children under 15 years of age in the United States annually due to falls? Most occur from windows, rooftops and balconies. The only thing different here is that it occurred on a cruise ship. No more or less tragic, but the circumstances are not all that unusual.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Play area or bar area - doesn’t matter. There should not have been any open window that high. Period.

Would you also say there should be no bslconies on ships and in hotels, tall ship decks should be completely enclosed, there should be no rooftop decks......

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Play area or bar area - doesn’t matter. There should not have been any open window that high. Period.

There was no way for the child to access the open window without being lifted. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you all know that there are about 140 deaths of children under 15 years of age in the United States annually due to falls? Most occur from windows, rooftops and balconies. The only thing different here is that it occurred on a cruise ship. No more or less tragic, but the circumstances are not all that unusual.

Most of those the child likely accesses the danger themselves alone. In this case the child needed adult assistance to access the danger.

[Anonymous]

At least with balconies and rooftop decks, you are aware of and can see the potential hazards and dangers. It’s a different situation going up to a high floor that was encased in glass everywhere except for one window left wide open. He had no expectation of a danger or was there a warning posted that one of the windows was open. They were docked so there wasn’t any ocean breeze either to alert him I am sure that after this tragedy there will be changes made. Perhaps the windows should be locked or changed to only open a crack or to post a sign to use caution.