Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post a picture the railing/glass area? I'm having a hard time envisioning what happened.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/family-of-toddler-who-fell-150ft-to-her-death-from-royal-caribbean-ship-share-photo-of-the-open-window-she-fell-through-after-being-propped-up-against-it-by-her-grandfather-as-they-blame-cruise-liner-for-her-death/ar-AAE5v45

Scroll down for a picture from the inside. It appears that there's no way a child could fall out of the window without climbing or being lifted up to it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post a picture the railing/glass area? I'm having a hard time envisioning what happened.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/family-of-toddler-who-fell-150ft-to-her-death-from-royal-caribbean-ship-share-photo-of-the-open-window-she-fell-through-after-being-propped-up-against-it-by-her-grandfather-as-they-blame-cruise-liner-for-her-death/ar-AAE5v45

Scroll down for a picture from the inside. It appears that there's no way a child could fall out of the window without climbing or being lifted up to it.

No one, not even the family, is claiming she wasn’t lifted. He’s claiming he couldn’t tell there wasn’t glass.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is how he left go of her. Even if she was going to place her head on the glass, he had to secure her hold since it was so high up.

It's amazing how this thread and the other thread have gotten so long. Kids die every day under far less preventable circumstances. Lots of DCUM posters with schadenfreude patting themselves on the back for not dropping their kid out a window.

Same here. I managed to raise mine without dropping them out the window when we were on the Freedom of the Seas. Never thought about it but stayed well back from the edge.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Cruises keep security videos?

Yes, there is video of this incident that the cruise ship has. It is mentioned in the other thread about this situation. The family was offered to watch the video, but they declined.

Whoa. So they know that something isn't right about their lawsuit?

To be fair would you watch a video of your child’s death?

I think it’s interesting that they now don’t want to see it when initially they wanted the footage. I guess since the days have passed they now realized it doesn’t make sense to watch Grandpa intentionally prop the child up in front of an open window and then drop her. They know the video documents his negligence.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does the step grandfather have children of his own? I do think the man is at fault BUT I know that my own stepdad never raised babies or toddlers and was pretty darn clueless when I had my kids.

Well regardless of whether or not he had his own kids, I think we can all agree he was clueless. I think his wife/the mom is pushing this whole RC blaming thing. Throughout the interview on Today, her daughter kept saying "My mom says/my mom thinks..."

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[Anonymous]

There might be some merit to this claim as having a window open in a play area or any area for that matter, is a danger because it wasn’t expected; all the other windows were closed. A child could have climbed up on the railing on their own and tumbled out. An adult could have leaned back unknowingly and tumbled out. If it turns out an employee left it open by mistake, possible to air the room out after cleaning and before it set sail and just forgot to close it, I think the cruise ship is negligent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post a picture the railing/glass area? I'm having a hard time envisioning what happened.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/family-of-toddler-who-fell-150ft-to-her-death-from-royal-caribbean-ship-share-photo-of-the-open-window-she-fell-through-after-being-propped-up-against-it-by-her-grandfather-as-they-blame-cruise-liner-for-her-death/ar-AAE5v45

Scroll down for a picture from the inside. It appears that there's no way a child could fall out of the window without climbing or being lifted up to it.

No one, not even the family, is claiming she wasn’t lifted. He’s claiming he couldn’t tell there wasn’t glass.

Yes, I know. I was just pointing out that RC could not have expected that someone would fall out the window, being that it would be nearly impossible for a normal person to just accidentally fall out a high window, guarded by a railing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There might be some merit to this claim as having a window open in a play area or any area for that matter, is a danger because it wasn’t expected; all the other windows were closed. A child could have climbed up on the railing on their own and tumbled out. An adult could have leaned back unknowingly and tumbled out. If it turns out an employee left it open by mistake, possible to air the room out after cleaning and before it set sail and just forgot to close it, I think the cruise ship is negligent.

In your example, you're talking about a child big enough to know better, yet so misbehaved or out control that you can't trust him to NOT CLIMB UP ONTO a tall railing and lean out of a window. No. Businesses, such as cruiselines, are not required to protect your child from taking outrageous actions.

And look at the window, it's tilted outward, AND there's a guardrail that appears to be about armpit height. An adult would have to lean wayyy back in order to accidentally fall out. I doubt it's even possible.

You wouldn't pick your child up and set him on the railing of a balcony, would you?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Cruises keep security videos?

Yes, there is video of this incident that the cruise ship has. It is mentioned in the other thread about this situation. The family was offered to watch the video, but they declined.

Whoa. So they know that something isn't right about their lawsuit?

To be fair would you watch a video of your child’s death?

I think it’s interesting that they now don’t want to see it when initially they wanted the footage. I guess since the days have passed they now realized it doesn’t make sense to watch Grandpa intentionally prop the child up in front of an open window and then drop her. They know the video documents his negligence.

There’s no way I could watch that footage. A friend’s child died in a fire and she identified the body herself. She says she has always regretted seeing her child like that.

[Anonymous]

You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

There probably wouldn’t be. Thankfully where this happened wasn’t a children’s play area so not sure why you’re making this irrelevant point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know if Cruises keep security videos?

Yes, there is video of this incident that the cruise ship has. It is mentioned in the other thread about this situation. The family was offered to watch the video, but they declined.

Whoa. So they know that something isn't right about their lawsuit?

To be fair would you watch a video of your child’s death?

I think it’s interesting that they now don’t want to see it when initially they wanted the footage. I guess since the days have passed they now realized it doesn’t make sense to watch Grandpa intentionally prop the child up in front of an open window and then drop her. They know the video documents his negligence.

There’s no way I could watch that footage. A friend’s child died in a fire and she identified the body herself. She says she has always regretted seeing her child like that.

I would not want to watch either. It’s just interesting that they were demanding the video before and now they don’t want it. They can’t carry forth their false narrative if they see the truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if this whole thing is to try to fend off a lawsuit for criminal negligence.

Who would bring a lawsuit for negligence? Do you mean criminal charges?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What I don't understand is how he left go of her. Even if she was going to place her head on the glass, he had to secure her hold since it was so high up.

It's amazing how this thread and the other thread have gotten so long. Kids die every day under far less preventable circumstances. Lots of DCUM posters with schadenfreude patting themselves on the back for not dropping their kid out a window.

I don't think you know what that word means. No one is joyful about a child's death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You would think that a window that has no screens or locks
would ever be allowed and should Never be allowed in a child’s play area - Think high rise hotels.

There probably wouldn’t be. Thankfully where this happened wasn’t a children’s play area so not sure why you’re making this irrelevant point.

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The lawyer is the only one who said this was a play area — yet, if you look at any of the pictures or video, it’s clearly a dining/seating are NEXT TO A BAR! Last time I checked, play areas don’t usually have bars in them (except, you know, the old Chuck E. Cheese’s).