Why is OP the one who told FIL no more payments would be made!? Does the wife have a voice or are there two men deciding things for her? Sounds like two men puffing up their chests and being stubborn. Each one thinks they are right. I bet the wives roll their eyes in private. Please save me from men like these. |
OP is wealthy. |
So is FIL. Everyone is mocking the wife's usless degree as a probable justification for why her father wants her to pay the money back but did OP even say what the degree was? Because relative to his career as a physician I'm sure everything seems low paying. |
I know several people who had parents who set them up for debt by pushing their kids in to expensive colleges. They were blue collar or immigrants who had little clue of the job market who were thrilled that their kids got into prestigious schools. The kids had no idea what they were getting in to and neither did the parents or the parents just wanted the bragging rights. I know two women who went to private colleges and both got masters degrees just to be teachers and they had no idea how little they'd be paid. Another is a physical therapist who went to a prestigious school and has a salary that is capped by insurance. They all openly complain that they had no idea what a waste of money the expensive schools would be. |
So much this. No one is making op and his wife attend these dinners/vacations. I would speak and and not split things 50/50. No one would intimidate me into funding their expensive habits. Op is aggressive about the wrong things. |
This is a good point about FIL. A lot of people with backgrounds like his have cash now but may not have retirement secured and have decent medical. That is where a lot of blue collar wealthy get in trouble. |
Regardless of what the undergrad degree is in, by OP's admission, she is going to get a masters in an area that is low pay. So, she is making one bad decision after another knowing that she would not be able to pay her father back like she promised she would. OP is an elitist who thinks how he uses his wealth is the right way (look at me, aren't I great for helping my extended family), and the FIL is a tightwad a$$ (who made his wealth rather than inherited it) for expecting his daughter to pay back money she agreed to. OP's wife is kind of an idiot and a leech for expecting the men in her life to keep subsidizing her so she can do whatever she wants. If she weren't married to a rich man, how would she pay back the loan and get a masters in a low paying field? FIL is a bit harsh, but he built his wealth by himself and knows how hard it is to make that money. IMO, him letting his daughter pay back the loan with no interest and no maturity date signals to me that this isn't about money but about teaching his adult daughter the value of money and the consequences of her choices. Seems to me that she has yet to learn that lesson. As for the expensive dinners and trips, OP can say no, but why should FIL subsidize OP's choice in using his wealth to help his extended family members (while kind), and then OP turns around and says to the FIL that they will no longer be paying the debt owed. |
Completely agree with all of this. OP, your response? |
Then OP should be willing to pay the debt owed and not expect the FIL to pay for their expensive vacations and dinners. FIL probably thinks he worked hard to build his wealth and would like to enjoy it, and since the daughter is married to a rich man who seems to be willing to share his wealth with his side of the family, he should also be willing to share his wealth with his wife's side of the family via dinners and holidays. Or are her side of the family not considered "family"? |
+1. Also, Boomer kids are like 40 yrs old. How old is op and his wife? |
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It's comical that the OP has refused to pay his wife's debt and thinks HE is subsidizing his FIL when the FIL refuses to pay the whole bill for their vacations and meals.
How old are you and your wife? The fact that you get money from your family doesn't mean everybody else in the world is now going to pay your way. Do you think you subsidize your friends when you go out with them and pay your share??? Not even their share (in which case you are subsidizing), but YOUR OWN share??? You and your wife sound like leeches. Your FIL is a normal adult man who hasn't gotten where he is expecting handouts. You on the other hand need to get it into your head that UNLESS YOU'RE PAYING FOR OTHERS you're not subsidizing anyone! Paying for your own expenditures is what's expected from normal adults. |
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In my fantasy, FIL keeps a ledger and after every vacation he subtracts the amount OP and wife spent from the total remaining on college loan. When the loan is paid, he begins treating them.
Does he pay for wife's siblings and partners? |
OP here. I am not providing financial help to my family. They do not need it. I have obtained prestigious research internships and gotten their names on publications for when they apply to medical school. I also help elderly family members with managing their affairs - I work 0.8 FTE to make time for this. I don’t consider my wife’s degree useless. I encouraged her to go back school and if she wants to stay at home after school I am happy with that as well. Ultimately, I find my FIL’s stinginess embarrassing. He has a mid eight figure net worth and is still a poor tipper. He will gobble up all the bread at the table. In my family we are generous with our time, money, and other resources. FIL has the opposite mindset. If he were less fortunate I would happily pay for his dinner and vacation. I paid for the last semester of college for a friend who is in a tough spot so I consider myself very charitable. But, a wealthy old man who is stingy with their own family and the less fortunate will never receive money from me. |
No, he told her that her degree sucked because it wasn’t a moneymaker in his eyes, and he failed to empower and encourage her to both follow her passion. AND learn to make money OP, you sounded like a bit of a jerk at the beginning of this thread but now I see FIL and how he is greedy, judgy, and did not support his daughter’s growth. Bad tippers are always a huge 🚩 FIL uses money as a weapon and measuring stick OP’s family uses money as a tool for stability and lives well lived- including giving to others. |
Your FILs "stinginess" is not for you to decide. He's a self-made man compared to you, who was born with a silver spoon in his mouth. You have no idea what it took for your FIL to reach his 8-figure wealth. I personally came to the US with one suitcase and have plenty of wealth now as well as a doctorate degree. There's no way in hell I'd be paying for my adult kids' vacations and meals. I already gave them plenty of opportunities by coming here and living in poverty at the beginning of my studies and career. If I have any money left over at the end of my life, I intend to donate it to trusts that I establish in my home country for smart students there. I'd not paying for the likes of you to stuff your face. Your FIL is not asking you for money for HIM. He's expecting you to pay your own share, which you should do, as an adult. What is embarrassing is you expecting your spouse's father to pay for your vacations and meals. Also, if you only work 0.8 FTE, this 0.2 FTE is a lot of money for a doctor, so you are subsidizing your own family (which you're entitled to). Hopefully you're not putting people's names on publications who have contributed nothing, it's already painful to referee current "research" as it is (maybe that's the reason). |