Gaza War, Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

No one does. I respect your feelings, but try to step outside of those and think about what you want to see happen next. If it was easy there wouldn’t be wars.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

Syria’s military is a wreck due to ISIS and the civil war with the multiple Islamist Jihadi groups. Lebanon doesn’t really exist as a functioning state. The only power Iran can really project is through proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas. Tehran’s conventional military is mostly a joke.

Hezbollah is strong. Iran’s IRGC and Qods Force should not be underestimated. Iran LIVES to eliminate Israel. If given the chance, they’d throw everything they have at it.

Israel knows it’s nothing without the US. That’s why they listen to the US.

Firepower:

Iran: 17
Lebanon: 111
Syria: 64
Saudi Arabia: 22

+ Hamas and Hezbollah

vs

Israel: 18

I think it’s clear Israel would lose that war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Agreed. Despite the shrill protestations here on DCUM and some college campuses, most Americans aren’t pro-Hamas and many feel that Israel is entirely justified in a strong response. Biden knows that he has to win over the swing state moderates who have been appalled by the takeover of the Democratic Party by the progressives. That group has little patience for spoiled rich kids cosplaying as Hamas revolutionaries.

Biden is an experienced politicians who has won many key races. He sees the political landscape clearly.

If he gets a ceasefire, gets the hostages, and gets rid of Hamas, well. Hot damn.

Yes. That would be a major victory and would draw moderate voters who have been drifting independent or even Republican. I am not sure it’s realistic, but yes, that would be a big win.

That having been said, that same group of voters will drop him like a hot potato if American soldiers start dying. So while he has their support now, it is fragile.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

So the people crying anti Semitism whenever anyone dares to say “hey this collateral damage is unacceptable” is a deeply nuanced and substantive position? Or also the feels.

The problem is the status quo cannot work. And the West Bank settlers and unequal citizenship cannot coexist with democratic ideals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

[Anonymous]

The UN Secretary needs to go. I know he is fighting an uphill battle. But he’s asleep behind the wheel. Even CNN and others see this. Time for change!

[Anonymous]

What do you want to see happen PP? If you can’t envision it, much less speak about it, why are you here?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Agreed. Despite the shrill protestations here on DCUM and some college campuses, most Americans aren’t pro-Hamas and many feel that Israel is entirely justified in a strong response. Biden knows that he has to win over the swing state moderates who have been appalled by the takeover of the Democratic Party by the progressives. That group has little patience for spoiled rich kids cosplaying as Hamas revolutionaries.

Biden is an experienced politicians who has won many key races. He sees the political landscape clearly.

If he gets a ceasefire, gets the hostages, and gets rid of Hamas, well. Hot damn.

Yes. That would be a major victory and would draw moderate voters who have been drifting independent or even Republican. I am not sure it’s realistic, but yes, that would be a big win.

That having been said, that same group of voters will drop him like a hot potato if American soldiers start dying. So while he has their support now, it is fragile.

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

Why do people think one cant see the humanity in both? Why does support for Palestinian children automatically mean no empathy for Israeli children? If I support BLM, that doesn’t mean I don’t care about all other lives. If I am wearing a LGBT pride flag, I don’t get questioned if I care about straight people.

If I am wearing a pink pin for Breast Cancer Awareness Month, that doesn’t mean I don’t care about prostate cancer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

Drop the pretense that you are open to any change, much less reasonable change and just commence with the anti-semitic sandblasting of this thread. It’s beyond tedious to pretend you are open to an ounce of concession, much less a reasonable solution to a human rights crisis that has endured for 75 years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

Why do people think one cant see the humanity in both? Why does support for Palestinian children automatically mean no empathy for Israeli children? If I support BLM, that doesn’t mean I don’t care about all other lives. If I am wearing a LGBT pride flag, I don’t get questioned if I care about straight people.

If I am wearing a pink pin for Breast Cancer Awareness Month, that doesn’t mean I don’t care about prostate cancer.

I am literally asking for recognition of both. Don’t you see that?