Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

Drop the pretense that you are open to any change, much less reasonable change and just commence with the anti-semitic sandblasting of this thread. It’s beyond tedious to pretend you are open to an ounce of concession, much less a reasonable solution to a human rights crisis that has endured for 75 years.

I won’t let you bait me.

[Anonymous]

The guy who started the Harvard truck thing got swatted.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

Syria’s military is a wreck due to ISIS and the civil war with the multiple Islamist Jihadi groups. Lebanon doesn’t really exist as a functioning state. The only power Iran can really project is through proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas. Tehran’s conventional military is mostly a joke.

Hezbollah is strong. Iran’s IRGC and Qods Force should not be underestimated. Iran LIVES to eliminate Israel. If given the chance, they’d throw everything they have at it.

Israel knows it’s nothing without the US. That’s why they listen to the US.

Firepower:

Iran: 17
Lebanon: 111
Syria: 64
Saudi Arabia: 22

+ Hamas and Hezbollah

vs

Israel: 18

I think it’s clear Israel would lose that war.

Wow you provided numbers! From where we don’t know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

Newsflash: Many, many Israeli boys are also brown skinned and all are from a different part of the globe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

Syria’s military is a wreck due to ISIS and the civil war with the multiple Islamist Jihadi groups. Lebanon doesn’t really exist as a functioning state. The only power Iran can really project is through proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas. Tehran’s conventional military is mostly a joke.

Hezbollah is strong. Iran’s IRGC and Qods Force should not be underestimated. Iran LIVES to eliminate Israel. If given the chance, they’d throw everything they have at it.

Israel knows it’s nothing without the US. That’s why they listen to the US.

Firepower:

Iran: 17
Lebanon: 111
Syria: 64
Saudi Arabia: 22

+ Hamas and Hezbollah

vs

Israel: 18

I think it’s clear Israel would lose that war.

Wow you provided numbers! From where we don’t know.

There you go: https://www.globalfirepower.com/

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

You know, when I see dead kids of any race, I have a strong emotional response. It’s weird and somewhat sociopathic that you don’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

So it’s clear you don’t know that Israelis and Palestinians share a regional background and many, many look like one another.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

You know, when I see dead kids of any race, I have a strong emotional response. It’s weird and somewhat sociopathic that you don’t.

But see, it’s only if she thinks they look like her kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The UN Secretary needs to go. I know he is fighting an uphill battle. But he’s asleep behind the wheel. Even CNN and others see this. Time for change!

Good luck with that. He's only got one year left and his successor has to come from Eastern Europe because there's a continental rotation system.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

But neither is the status quo reasonable. Which is why we are here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

But neither is the status quo reasonable. Which is why we are here.

So I go back to my original question: what’s your idea as to what to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

You know, when I see dead kids of any race, I have a strong emotional response. It’s weird and somewhat sociopathic that you don’t.

But see, it’s only if she thinks they look like her kid.

Yeah, that was pretty messed up.