Gaza War, Part 2

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Qatar?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Qatar?

Umm … they’re already in Qatar.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Only a fool believes this. None of the countries in the region are going back to, pre Gaza genocide, relations with the U.S. or Israel. They are just buying time and figuring out how to reposition.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar? Yes, they will. They'll have to be very cautious about it for years, since their populations won't agree, but long-term influence is what they're after, and they've been hankering for a relationship with the West for decades now, to expand their footprint abroad and consolidate power back home. And they've each developed their own relationship with western governments. You may have heard of their sports diplomacy recently?

The sad truth is, nobody cares very much for the poor Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank. Their highly visible suffering is used to exploit already existing fractures, but no suffering in the world is going to divorce Saudi Arabia from the US. Those two need each other for regional security, oil politics and MONEY.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

Here my reason for hope https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/27/gaza-israel-humanitarian-pause/

That is entirely meant for a domestic audience (the Admin is getting slammed by the Democratic Party left). It’s not for either Israel or Hamas.

No. It is a concession in the negotiations that Qatar and the US are working on.

Do you really think the US has no influence on how this shakes out?

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Only a fool believes this. None of the countries in the region are going back to, pre Gaza genocide, relations with the U.S. or Israel. They are just buying time and figuring out how to reposition.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar? Yes, they will. They'll have to be very cautious about it for years, since their populations won't agree, but long-term influence is what they're after, and they've been hankering for a relationship with the West for decades now, to expand their footprint abroad and consolidate power back home. And they've each developed their own relationship with western governments. You may have heard of their sports diplomacy recently?

The sad truth is, nobody cares very much for the poor Palestinians in Gaza or the West Bank. Their highly visible suffering is used to exploit already existing fractures, but no suffering in the world is going to divorce Saudi Arabia from the US. Those two need each other for regional security, oil politics and MONEY.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Qatar?

There’s no way Iranians want any members of Hamas (or Palestinians for that matter) in their country. The Iranians just need Hamas to die in Tehran’s proxy wars. Hamas are Iran’s stooges.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

Here my reason for hope https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/27/gaza-israel-humanitarian-pause/

That is entirely meant for a domestic audience (the Admin is getting slammed by the Democratic Party left). It’s not for either Israel or Hamas.

No. It is a concession in the negotiations that Qatar and the US are working on.

Do you really think the US has no influence on how this shakes out?

No I don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Qatar?

There’s no way Iranians want any members of Hamas (or Palestinians for that matter) in their country. The Iranians just need Hamas to die in Tehran’s proxy wars. Hamas are Iran’s stooges.

And if the US withdraws support from Israel, expect Iran to get involved pretty much immediately.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:But I think people are slowly becoming more aware of what they’re accidentally signing up for, now that Hamas has escalated this situation. Young people are having second thoughts. I think Hamas seriously miscalculated on 10/7. Burned a lot of sympathy.

I think it’s very much the opposite. I think the goodwill many had unquestioningly for Israel is forever gone.

I grew up watching mainstream news, and news about the Israel-Palestinian conflict never made sense. The commentary was always “Palestinians did X, and 90 Israelis died in the fighting. Israel responded and 500 Palestinians died.” Footage would always be of Israeli people, with like a split second of suspicious looking Arab men running about.

I think most people don’t think too hard about this kind of coverage.

Then social media came along. I am seeing instagram posts FROM people in Gaza, describing what is happening. How they can’t shower, how they don’t know where their families are, how children are trapped in the rubble. And so, I think a lot of people are beginning to put some pieces together and are realizing… Israel doesn’t seem like such a “good guy.”

Then of course there is the fact that Israel is described as an ally in the Middle East but we never actually hear about them actually doing anything good or beneficial for the US. We don’t really understand the purpose of utility of Israel.

Then of course we always hear about the billions and billions of dollars that go to Israel while Americans struggle to pay their bills. Israelis have universal healthcare and we don’t.

I think things are inevitably changing.

Yes, news in the 80s and 90s and naughts were as you describe. With Israel killing at least 5x more (really more like 10x) than the Palestinians but the Palestinians always portrayed as the bad guys. My perspective totally cha he’d when I travelled in the region and met displaced Palestinians. From their perceptive the anger that should be poured in Germany of the Holocaust is on their shoulders. They weren’t the Nazis.

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Anonymous wrote:Hamas is ARAB.

Iran is not.

Hamas is Sunni.

Iran is Shia.

And yet they’ll surrender and just go chill in Iran?!

Are you unaware of Iran’s ties to Hamas?

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/13/world/middleeast/hamas-iran-israel-attack.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

Thanks, I know.

It’s 100% a marriage of convenience. Hamas will never surrender, much less go to Iran.

I’m not sure you grasp what a jihadist group is.

The leaders will leave. The rest will stay and get killed, but the money is gonna dry up.

The leaders aren’t in Gaza now. They’re in Qatar. Way more fun than Iran.

Yeah, about that. I think they’re going to find it isn’t as much fun as it used to be?

Why? Israel isn’t going to attack Qatar. Neither is the US. Qatar is helping with hostage negotiations.

Qatar has agreed to revisit its relationship with Hamas operatives on its soil... after the conflict has ended. And by agreed, they don't mean hand over Hamas to US. They mean politely showing them other countries they can hide in with their families. They will fork over intel to the US, to make it even, so Israel and the US can pursue Hamas leadership to the end of the world and the end of time. But Qatar doesn't want an in-house mess, so that's their way out to offend no one.

Yup. But that’s how this ends. Bye Hamas! Hopefully we can get the hostages out and get Israel to stop bombing.

I’m just reading the tea here. Maybe I’m way too hopeful.

Here my reason for hope https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2023/10/27/gaza-israel-humanitarian-pause/

That is entirely meant for a domestic audience (the Admin is getting slammed by the Democratic Party left). It’s not for either Israel or Hamas.

No. It is a concession in the negotiations that Qatar and the US are working on.

Do you really think the US has no influence on how this shakes out?

No I don’t.

You can’t have it both ways then.

[Anonymous]

Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

It’s not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

It’s not going to happen.

I just want to make it clear to these posters that that’s what they’re asking for when they say they want the US to stop supporting Israel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just so we’re clear on what would happen if the US withdrew support from Israel:

States that would attack very quickly:

Syria
Lebanon
Iran

Hamas obviously would.

Saudi Arabia would support Israel’s adversaries, despite Iran being Shia and not Arab.

Israel’s 170,000 person army, with 465,000 reserves would go up against 4 countries and Hamas.

I think it’s pretty clear they’d lose. 7 million Israeli Jews would likely die, either during or after the war.

Syria’s military is a wreck due to ISIS and the civil war with the multiple Islamist Jihadi groups. Lebanon doesn’t really exist as a functioning state. The only power Iran can really project is through proxies like Hezbollah and Hamas. Tehran’s conventional military is mostly a joke.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Agreed. Despite the shrill protestations here on DCUM and some college campuses, most Americans aren’t pro-Hamas and many feel that Israel is entirely justified in a strong response. Biden knows that he has to win over the swing state moderates who have been appalled by the takeover of the Democratic Party by the progressives. That group has little patience for spoiled rich kids cosplaying as Hamas revolutionaries.

Biden is an experienced politicians who has won many key races. He sees the political landscape clearly.

If he gets a ceasefire, gets the hostages, and gets rid of Hamas, well. Hot damn.