So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

[Anonymous]

Roberts: “Eliminating racial discrimination means eliminating all of it.” Slip op. at 15. Gimme a break.

Schools will find ways around the Court’s opinion unless and until some big money damages start rolling in for plaintiffs. Not gonna happen.

I’ll cut to the chase: no, sorry, UVA is still not happening for the type of kid whose parents are cheering this nothing burger of a decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

I'm interested in the data you reviewed. Can you please share what sources you used? Does it show stats only or other details? For example, if the students with lower credentials had a skill the school needed like a fantastic debater, track star or harp player and those pushed them into the accepted pile is that included or just GPA and test scores?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

Confused. You know exactly why MIT and Stanford took a pass and that it was for a different reason than other schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

You have no clue how college admissions work. No college wants a class with only students that have the same profile (gpa, sat, EC, race, gender, origin, etc) as your kid. You all doing these kids a disservice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.

“Just apply” where? How do you build a list if you have no idea what colleges are looking for?

Start with what you are looking for. Area of study, location, size of school, distance from home, cost, etc. Then go to the college’s common data set (google common data set + college name) and look at the stats showing admitted student’s gpas, test scores, etc. See which schools’ stats align with your child’s capabilities. Visit the school to see if your child likes it. Then apply to the schools your child wants to attend.

It’s odd that you are thinking of this from the college’s viewpoint instead of your child’s needs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

No. There will always be ivy rejects. Those who are rejected have T20. If not T20, T30... This will push PP's kids down to podunk universities. Mark my words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

I am sorry but do you know how many kids have the same stats as your kid? At ivy+, only 5% make the cut. This means for every 100, there are 95 other kids who have similar stats as your kid's. That's why these schools are lotteries.

[Anonymous]

More Asians

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

x100000

No one race can have all the seats - not going to happen.

[Anonymous]

URMs with high stats and are qualified will still be underrepresented in the elite colleges and will still be highly sought after. Even more now. The colleges will still find a legal way to admit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

I am sorry but do you know how many kids have the same stats as your kid? At ivy+, only 5% make the cut. This means for every 100, there are 95 other kids who have similar stats as your kid's. That's why these schools are lotteries.

+1
I get the feeling some of these parents are not very smart, don't understand that not everyone can get into their dream school, and that dream schools are LOTTERIES. You claim your kids are so smart, but their parents are not smart enough to understand this very basic concept.

The parents are really unbelievably dense, but supposedly their kids are so smart?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

No. There will always be ivy rejects. Those who are rejected have T20. If not T20, T30... This will push PP's kids down to podunk universities. Mark my words.

The schools will do what they want. You can order your kid around, you can't order the colleges to take your kid.

The Asians want the white kids to attend state colleges, and the Asians to attend the top privates - basically, the Asians want segregation - not going to happen.

Again, if only Asians knew US History better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

You have no idea what you are talking about. It is a LOTTERY.

You sound really dumb.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think college admissions officers are going to get very tired of reading essays about how race affected my life...

There is nothing to stop them from saying that we are race blind and will disregard any applicant whose essay focuses on race.

Except that they value having a diverse class so it makes no sense that they would do that.

They also value not paying out their endowment in settlements. Do you really think AOs will be able to explain the nuances to their staffs without accidentally stepping over the line between admissions based on adversity and admissions based on the disclosure of race? Do you trust admissions staffs to stay silent?

Wut?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

I am sorry but do you know how many kids have the same stats as your kid? At ivy+, only 5% make the cut. This means for every 100, there are 95 other kids who have similar stats as your kid's. That's why these schools are lotteries.

yea but still the issue is significantly lesser stats ALDC URM kids get in.