So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.

+1

Hope they don't come for those who have tutors for most everything!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.

“Just apply” where? How do you build a list if you have no idea what colleges are looking for?

?? Why, did you depend on affirmative action? Just go ahead and apply where you are competitive -- and as has said a million times, pick some "matches" and "safeties."

No, I depended on SAT scores. I can’t figure out if they matter anymore, or how they matter, or for whom.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.

I don't think that is possible.

Besides, the government can tell who is who by the activities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.

I don't think that is possible.

Besides, the government can tell who is who by the activities.

And if people want financial aid, they are going to have to play by the rules, not make up their own rules.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There's really no way to make this race neutral unless names are masked.

Applicants should be assigned a unique number. No name.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.

“Just apply” where? How do you build a list if you have no idea what colleges are looking for?

?? Why, did you depend on affirmative action? Just go ahead and apply where you are competitive -- and as has said a million times, pick some "matches" and "safeties."

No, I depended on SAT scores. I can’t figure out if they matter anymore, or how they matter, or for whom.

If you have a high SAT score, submit it. Some schools won't even look at them, but many "test optional" schools do. It won't be determinative probably, but it won't hurt you any either, and it might help if it's a really high score.

[Anonymous]

So is there anything preventing every black applicant from starting their essay "as a black man/woman..." ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is there anything preventing every black applicant from starting their essay "as a black man/woman..." ?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is there anything preventing every black applicant from starting their essay "as a black man/woman..." ?

Based on the SC, no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have some questions:

1. Does this mean the race box goes away?

2. Does this mean the race box goes away immediately or next cycle?

3. Does this mean that colleges can't take an educated guess re: race and use that in consideration (ie, looking at name, zip, clubs, parents HSBCU legacy, etc)?

It's June. Which cycle is "next cycle"??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have some questions:

1. Does this mean the race box goes away?

2. Does this mean the race box goes away immediately or next cycle?

3. Does this mean that colleges can't take an educated guess re: race and use that in consideration (ie, looking at name, zip, clubs, parents HSBCU legacy, etc)?

#3 is the fun one. On the "left" you have lawsuits on the theory that anything with "disparate impact" on races is illegal. And now you will have the same on the right, but in the other direction.

Under the Rule of Law, everything is illegal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I have some questions:

1. Does this mean the race box goes away?

2. Does this mean the race box goes away immediately or next cycle?

3. Does this mean that colleges can't take an educated guess re: race and use that in consideration (ie, looking at name, zip, clubs, parents HSBCU legacy, etc)?

It's June. Which cycle is "next cycle"??

THe cycle for class of 24.

[Anonymous]

for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

[Anonymous]

Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??