So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Elite Universities will try different schemes to try and produce racial diversity. Every one of these will by definition be racially gerrymandered because the challenge is that there is a pipeline problem in admission that none of these schemes can address. The only way to get a racially diverse class when there is a pipeline problem is to give racial preferences ( hidden or explicit ) in some way or other to boost URM enrollment and the Supreme Court has clearly said that

"universities
may not simply establish through application essays or
other means the regime we hold unlawful today."

So expect a lot of lawsuits challenging all such schemes that are facially racially neutral but produce disparate outcomes by race consistently and reflect the same class demographics and adequate URM students year after year

This battle is just getting started

Using race-neutral means and essays.

That's a start.

Elite colleges will still get their URM numbers. The demand is there. They'll still get the applications from top URMs to fill a class. The "data" that Ed Blum and company used, like SAT scores, won't be there under test optional.

Making test optional or test blind the new normal will be the key result of this ruling.

There is no race neutral means that will produce the same result in terms of numbers like a race conscious scheme. Harvard Ave all the amicus briefs by other elite schools admit that.. Because the skills gap in the application pipeline is so great between the races, you can only achieve diversity through racial gerrymandering which is what elite schools will keep trying to do. The other side will keep dragging then to court

HYPS , other Ivies, etc will still get their URM numbers. To think otherwise is foolish.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I have some questions:

1. Does this mean the race box goes away?

2. Does this mean the race box goes away immediately or next cycle?

3. Does this mean that colleges can't take an educated guess re: race and use that in consideration (ie, looking at name, zip, clubs, parents HSBCU legacy, etc)?

If an applicant's race is stated in the application in passing (e.g., in an essay, EC, or scholarship), how does admissions avoid considering it? Obviously, AOs would not explicitly mention it in their notes, but AOs can't unsee it. Wondering how the mechanics of that would work, as a practical matter, as well as which way a decision might go if AOs are trying to avoid even the slightest appearance of favoring (or disfavoring) an applicant based on race.

[Anonymous]

The elite schools are going to be able to tell who is Black and who is Hispanic by the affinity groups that students have joined and by their essays and recommendations. It’s not rocket science. They will still be able to get the class racial make-up they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The elite schools are going to be able to tell who is Black and who is Hispanic by the affinity groups that students have joined and by their essays and recommendations. It’s not rocket science. They will still be able to get the class racial make-up they want.

Again, if it can be shown that the standard for asians is higher than for blacks, the school would be opening itself up to devastating lawsuits. All they would need to do at this point is show that ANY kind of ranking/rating/stat varies by race via a FOIA request or discovery

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The elite schools are going to be able to tell who is Black and who is Hispanic by the affinity groups that students have joined and by their essays and recommendations. It’s not rocket science. They will still be able to get the class racial make-up they want.

Again, if it can be shown that the standard for asians is higher than for blacks, the school would be opening itself up to devastating lawsuits. All they would need to do at this point is show that ANY kind of ranking/rating/stat varies by race via a FOIA request or discovery

DP. This raises the general issue with ratings of subjective components in general, the laughable attempt of admission offices to quantify, to standardize, that which is inherently not quantifiable. Even GPA is not standardize-able within the same school, yet treated as a standardized metric. Sorry, this is just a rant.

Presumably, to avoid bad litigation outcomes, all notes and ratings would need to be devoid of race mention, even if race was mentioned in the essay, correct?

A shift to weighing overcoming challenges of the SES variety would make sense, but might hurt the financial aid budget?

Just thinking out loud.

[Anonymous]

Good luck satisfying racial quotas and leaving no paper trail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

No it won’t.

[Anonymous]

GOP is already preparing to litigate against any school violating the SCOTUS decision.

BREAKING: @America1stLegal sent a legal threat letter to every law school in America: comply with the Supreme Court ruling on “affirmative action” — or see you in court.

If you’re a victim of discrimination call us at 1-877-AFL-5454

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The elite schools are going to be able to tell who is Black and who is Hispanic by the affinity groups that students have joined and by their essays and recommendations. It’s not rocket science. They will still be able to get the class racial make-up they want.

Again, if it can be shown that the standard for asians is higher than for blacks, the school would be opening itself up to devastating lawsuits. All they would need to do at this point is show that ANY kind of ranking/rating/stat varies by race via a FOIA request or discovery

There's already a threat of another round of lawsuit.

GOP Steve Miller sent a letter to Harvard Law:

You are hereby warned.
Any such regime—for example, relying on biography over qualifications—to
achieve desired racial outcomes is clearly illegal and unconstitutional, and you
will face legal repercussions accordingly.
We will ensure that every faculty member, staff member, student, and
applicant for admission can communicate with us about any efforts to use
underhanded race, national origin, and sex preferences, and we will use any
information obtained to ensure accountability.
America First Legal is a charitable nonprofit and civil rights organization that
provides free legal services to victims of unlawful discrimination. We will
represent victims of these policies and sue any law school that allows these
illegal and discriminatory practices to continue.
Sincerely,
Stephen Miller
President
America First

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GOP is already preparing to litigate against any school violating the SCOTUS decision.

BREAKING: @America1stLegal sent a legal threat letter to every law school in America: comply with the Supreme Court ruling on “affirmative action” — or see you in court.

If you’re a victim of discrimination call us at 1-877-AFL-5454

Ooo. that rat, Stephen Miller's been busy

[jsteele]

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