So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think college admissions officers are going to get very tired of reading essays about how race affected my life...

This is probably right.

I wonder if things like National Hispanic Scholar or African American scholarships will become more impactful, admission-wise, if they are awarded before application deadlines and included in the application.

x100000

Yup. Asians just pushed the favor against them. Asians think that they are organized, but African Americans and Latino/as have been at this for decades longer, so they are more organized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

No. There will always be ivy rejects. Those who are rejected have T20. If not T20, T30... This will push PP's kids down to podunk universities. Mark my words.

The schools will do what they want. You can order your kid around, you can't order the colleges to take your kid.

The Asians want the white kids to attend state colleges, and the Asians to attend the top privates - basically, the Asians want segregation - not going to happen.

Again, if only Asians knew US History better.

At least they got ordered not to racially discriminate

[Anonymous]

Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Yes.
Asians, Blacks, and non-hooked Whites should be united against ALDC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think college admissions officers are going to get very tired of reading essays about how race affected my life...

This is probably right.

I wonder if things like National Hispanic Scholar or African American scholarships will become more impactful, admission-wise, if they are awarded before application deadlines and included in the application.

x100000

Yup. Asians just pushed the favor against them. Asians think that they are organized, but African Americans and Latino/as have been at this for decades longer, so they are more organized.

Yes but they are not the brightest bulbs in the room. Those who can't make it are constantly asking for freebies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Check the demographics at Caltech, UCLA, UC Berkeley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Check the demographics at Caltech, UCLA, UC Berkeley.

Comparing to CA schools, especially public doesn’t make sense as they don’t have the same ALDC institutional priorities. Also, the percentage of black people is half the national average and the number of Asian people is almost 3 times the national average which will reflect the university demographics.

Michigan is a closer comparison due to state demographics and institutional priorities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Check the demographics at Caltech, UCLA, UC Berkeley.

Comparing to CA schools, especially public doesn’t make sense as they don’t have the same ALDC institutional priorities. Also, the percentage of black people is half the national average and the number of Asian people is almost 3 times the national average which will reflect the university demographics.

Michigan is a closer comparison due to state demographics and institutional priorities.

Caltech is private.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

No "if it was my kid" I would not feel the same. Because we recognize that having high stats is just the first step and really just a lottery ticket to make it beyond the first phase. After that it is up to the school whether they feel your kid is the right fit. I know there are kids with only a 1450 who are just as smart as my kid with a 1570, but they might have grown up in very different/less privileged situation. I'm smart enough to know my 1570 kid will succeed wherever they go because of who they are, so we knew "reaches" with acceptance rates in single digits are just that---reaches for everyone. So we planned well and had great targets and safeties in place as well, just in case My kid knows they are not entitled to an elite college admissions just because they have high stats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Check the demographics at Caltech, UCLA, UC Berkeley.

Comparing to CA schools, especially public doesn’t make sense as they don’t have the same ALDC institutional priorities. Also, the percentage of black people is half the national average and the number of Asian people is almost 3 times the national average which will reflect the university demographics.

Michigan is a closer comparison due to state demographics and institutional priorities.

Caltech is private.

Reread— I said especially public. Caltech is a niche school and most students wouldn’t apply regardless of race because of their interests (non STEM, business, etc), size of the college, and realize that you have to put in the work to survive there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

x100000

No one race can have all the seats - not going to happen.

The issues is not about "one race having all the seats". If you want to get into Harvard, then maybe apply showing interest in a non-Stem/non-finance/business major. I bet majority of the Asians applying are STEM/premed/business interested. I know Harvard does not apply by major, but if your kid did Robotics, and all STEM related ECs, then Harvard will assume they are interested in STEM and they only have space for so many in that area. Apply as Editor of your HS paper, with strong interests in continuing journalism/English major and you might get in

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Harvard has already been chickened out, so the number of Asian students has been increasing since the lawsuit.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/harvard-admits-record-number-asian-american-students-black-latino-admi-rcna77923

Now there will be more upward pressure, of course.
It won't be like 70%, but I can see it reaching around 40% at most of the elite to semi-elite schools.

Test-blind, race-blind schools like Caltech and Berkeley are already at that level.

On a side note, around 40% was the level at which schools began to feel uncomfortable with Jews a while ago, thus birth of the holistic BS.

DP: I also think it will be around 35-40%. The plaintiffs and several universities have developed predictive models. URM will drop by 50% on average. At Harvard that would mean that 10% of the seats will be open for white and Asian students, if ALDC and first gen status remain in place. The question will be what proportion of the seats go to Asians vs whites.

More to Whites.

That's the way the system is set up.

Duh.

Check the demographics at Caltech, UCLA, UC Berkeley.

Check out the demographics of the state of California. It’s more heavily Asian than the rest of the country and all of those schools are in state.

This is all going to benefit white kids. Which was the entire point of the exercise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The parents who are excited about this decision will be disappointed when their kids still don’t get into their dream schools next year. There will be thousands of depressed kids and families starting Dec 15, 2023. Mark my words.

What you don’t understand is that parents just seek logic and equity. My perfect child in every objective and subjective measurement was rejected by many places largely on gender and race. How do I know? Objective reads of his file and comparison to admitted students credentials. It was what we had the deal with. You know where we felt no angst? MIT. Stanford. Places where we knew the Uber qualified made it a lottery for all/ but to see students with credentials that paled in comparison to my son be admitted due to minority status in other places was literally sickening. If it was your kid you would feel the same- it want overwhelming better stats it was race, fancy private high schools or other BS that got in with flatly lower and much lower metrics. So will this solve everyong? Not but it’s a step in the right direction.

Your feelings are BS. Your kid was also rejected in favor of white legacies and athletes with lower stats. You don’t seem to care about that.