So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

Anonymous

I have some questions:

1. Does this mean the race box goes away?

2. Does this mean the race box goes away immediately or next cycle?

3. Does this mean that colleges can't take an educated guess re: race and use that in consideration (ie, looking at name, zip, clubs, parents HSBCU legacy, etc)?
Anonymous
No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.
Anonymous
Here is one perspective that goes to question 3).

California's had a ban on affirmative action for a long while, and schools absolutely look at other metrics. It would be a mistake to think they are just looking for a proxy for race, though. They are looking for specific qualities, such as perseverance and willingness to serve their communities of origin, and that focus has an incidental impact of increasing racial diversity (including of under-represented Asian American groups such as Vietnamese and Hmong refugees).

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181794808/how...-affirmative-action-
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.


“Just apply” where? How do you build a list if you have no idea what colleges are looking for?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Here is one perspective that goes to question 3).

California's had a ban on affirmative action for a long while, and schools absolutely look at other metrics. It would be a mistake to think they are just looking for a proxy for race, though. They are looking for specific qualities, such as perseverance and willingness to serve their communities of origin, and that focus has an incidental impact of increasing racial diversity (including of under-represented Asian American groups such as Vietnamese and Hmong refugees).

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/12/1181794808/how...-affirmative-action-


It seems like Berkley is struggling. UCLAs method of encouraging donors to give money for scholarships for URM students is probably unconstitutional now

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/how-uc-berke...e-action-2023-06-18/
Anonymous
I only see this mattering if your kid is Latino or Black - otherwise, your target list should look the same as it would be this past year.
Anonymous
Yes, the race box will go away.
Anonymous
I think holistic admissions will still give selective schools the ability to build the class they want to build, and assure it is diverse. If college admissions were about “ stats” it could be done by computer.
Anonymous
The race and ethnicity boxes exist for federal reporting requirements.

One of two things need to happen: either that data collection needs to happen on the back end during enrollment, or the race and ethnicity fields need to be suppressed in the electronic admissions file, the way the financial aid box is suppressed for need-blind colleges. It'll be interesting to see how this is handled - we will see on August 1.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.


Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.


Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.


Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No one knows. Just apply and see what happens. Too much hand-wringing in this forum.


“Just apply” where? How do you build a list if you have no idea what colleges are looking for?


?? Why, did you depend on affirmative action? Just go ahead and apply where you are competitive -- and as has said a million times, pick some "matches" and "safeties."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.


Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.


Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.


Yes. They need to fix that as well as not requiring parent's information on the common app. The reviewers and the colleges should get the application without the kid's name, gender or their parents' names.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.


Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.


Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.



That may be true (but misleading) with some Hispanics. But not blacks.
Anonymous
There's really no way to make this race neutral unless names are masked.
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