So what is changing? Questions about SC affirmative action decision

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

Okay, but Tribal Enrollment is very strict. If they required you to upload registry, that would solve that. Moreso than any other race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So is there anything preventing every black applicant from starting their essay "as a black man/woman..." ?

PP trying to sell the perpetual victimhood mentality instead of the meaning of hard work, perseverance, and resilience... Does PP want to perpetuate problems - or solve problems in this country?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

What if it isn’t Brad or Madison, but applicant 22046 and 4418?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

Will applicants have a number instead of a name? I think you can often guess someone’s race pretty accurately based on their surname alone.

Yes. They need to fix that as well as not requiring parent's information on the common app. The reviewers and the colleges should get the application without the kid's name, gender or their parents' names.

At UC’s names are blocked on applications

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

Georgetown is not the only one. You might want to apply elsewhere.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

Okay, but Tribal Enrollment is very strict. If they required you to upload registry, that would solve that. Moreso than any other race.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

Georgetown interviews most applicants.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

Okay, but Tribal Enrollment is very strict. If they required you to upload registry, that would solve that. Moreso than any other race.

+1. The "American Indian or Alaskan Native" category has long been difficult to fake due to the app's request for tribal info.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

What if it isn’t Brad or Madison, but applicant 22046 and 4418?

I think everyone can get behind this. There is a ton of bias built around names.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Several schools have had a "diversity" essay for a while now. Lots of ways to word it. Colleges will still be looking for URMs with something to say relevant to their minority status, but not URMs who don't want to talk about that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

Georgetown interviews most applicants.

There will be no place on paperwork interviewers submit that will say race. And interviewers will be strongly instructed not to address this. Easy way to get sued

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:for question 3:

If this is banning "race conscious admissions" then I dont think an AdCom can factor anything about race in. Including that your mom/dad went to HSBCUs, that your name reads Black, that you live in a 100% Black zip code.

I think they can give you a leg up if you talk some aspect of race up in your essay - as John Roberts says and Harvard letter basically co-signs. So now all these kids basically forced to write about this. "as a black man.." won't cut it alone, you need to really focus on some aspect of race in your upbringing.

I suspect college will work around by adding a short supplemental that says something like, "It takes a village. In 100 words, tell us how your village shaped you".

My question: Does this include Native Americans?

Native American is the most faked/made up ethnicity for people that are going to lie about their race (hello Elizabeth Warren). It would be amusing to read a 'white', privileged Brad or Madison talk about how being 'native american' affected him/her, maybe he/she was a good lacrosse player?

Hopefully this decision will make white people more honest. There has been studies showing more than 1/3 of white applicants lied about their race in the college application process.

[Anonymous]

Isn't there some confusion here? Up until now it was legal not only to know an applicant's race, but to actively consider that as a factor in admission. Now only the second part has changed. In fact, the decision acknowledged that race could easily come up in an essay, and even be pivotal to the narrative. Now I can imagine schools will develop all sorts of identity masking, so that they can use that as a defense if they are ever challenged. But that's just CYA on the part of the school, and entirely their prerogative The school isn't forced to put those protections in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yes, the race box will go away.

Doubt it because universities still have to track race per DOE. Also, eliminating the box will prevent the ability to determine if non-URM applicants are being discriminated against.

Most likely race info will be masked in the admissions process.

+1 the box just became even more important, but it is required for data Universities have to report. Applicants don't have to use it, but schools have to show they tried to collect it in good faith. However, the data from this box will not go to the admissions reviewers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Will Georgetown FINALLY have to drop their picture requirement??

it was optional, never a requirement