FCPS new FLE curriculum

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

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Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

If they are going to tell kids gender is fluid, FCPS needs to add comprehensive curriculum instruction on the documented physical risks of puberty blockers (including sterilizing children who take them and removing their future ability to achieve orgasm), hormone therapy (accelerated disease rates including cancer and heart disease, early and teen menopause, etc), risks of binders (damages muscular and skeletal structures, issues similar to corset wearing or foot binding), and dangers and complications of sex reassignment surgery (infdctions, loss of range of movement from mastectomy, loss of ability to breastfedd children, infection risks, lifelong medical patient, disease risks from removing ovaries or testicles)

If FCPS is crossing this line, then FCPS ethically and morally owes it to the students to be clear and honest of the risks and dangers of transgender medical transition treatment, and not lie to the kids that they can just change their genders medically without being honest about the very real physical and health consequences.

Most importantly, any instruction on transition needs to follow what has ALWAYS been included with FCPS fle classes, an emphatic statement that students "Please talk to your parents about any questions you have about this topic" and firm rules in place, just as they have always been, that teachers must not under any circumstances, share their own belief on any of this subject matter, including trans topics, and that they must defer to parents instead of injecting personal or political opinion.

This deferring to parents has always been the backbone of fcps fle classes

However, if you watch the school board meetings, especially this past 2 weeks, the FCPS school board is trying to push through a regulation removing the controversial issues policy entirely, and requiring teachers to speak up and advocate for left wing positions on any topic related to equity and transgender politics.

It is no accident that this change was being pushed at the same time as these changes to the FLE curriculum.

Nor is it a coincidence that these changes are being pushed at the same time as FCPS announcing it will not follow the governors new parents rights guidance, after this summer whem the school board started working on plans to create a parallel SIS system for all transgendered students that was inaccessible to parents unless the minor kid gave permission, and the same time that Dr. Reid stated at one of her community meetings that if a parent opted a kid out of FLE, and the kid asked to go to any lesson dealing with transgendered topics, that the school would opt the kid back in without notifying parents in the name of inclusion and affirmation.

Parents, the school board meetings and board docs are very long and boring. The school board is counting on parents not paying attention to push through things that many parents, left or right, secular or religious, do not support. Please take time to educate yourself as to the priorities and focus of the school board. Your kids are worth the investment.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:they can just change their genders medically

Is that part of the proposed FLE curriculum?

[Anonymous]

PLEASE!!!! If you make a comment here, please go to the FCPS website starting Oct 31 at 8 am and write your comments there:

https://www.fcps.edu/node/33908

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

Yes -- this isn't being done to appease transgendered students themselves -- it is so that everyone understands that transgender people exist!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

If they are going to tell kids gender is fluid, FCPS needs to add comprehensive curriculum instruction on the documented physical risks of puberty blockers (including sterilizing children who take them and removing their future ability to achieve orgasm), hormone therapy (accelerated disease rates including cancer and heart disease, early and teen menopause, etc), risks of binders (damages muscular and skeletal structures, issues similar to corset wearing or foot binding), and dangers and complications of sex reassignment surgery (infdctions, loss of range of movement from mastectomy, loss of ability to breastfedd children, infection risks, lifelong medical patient, disease risks from removing ovaries or testicles)

If FCPS is crossing this line, then FCPS ethically and morally owes it to the students to be clear and honest of the risks and dangers of transgender medical transition treatment, and not lie to the kids that they can just change their genders medically without being honest about the very real physical and health consequences.

Most importantly, any instruction on transition needs to follow what has ALWAYS been included with FCPS fle classes, an emphatic statement that students "Please talk to your parents about any questions you have about this topic" and firm rules in place, just as they have always been, that teachers must not under any circumstances, share their own belief on any of this subject matter, including trans topics, and that they must defer to parents instead of injecting personal or political opinion.

This deferring to parents has always been the backbone of fcps fle classes

However, if you watch the school board meetings, especially this past 2 weeks, the FCPS school board is trying to push through a regulation removing the controversial issues policy entirely, and requiring teachers to speak up and advocate for left wing positions on any topic related to equity and transgender politics.

It is no accident that this change was being pushed at the same time as these changes to the FLE curriculum.

Nor is it a coincidence that these changes are being pushed at the same time as FCPS announcing it will not follow the governors new parents rights guidance, after this summer whem the school board started working on plans to create a parallel SIS system for all transgendered students that was inaccessible to parents unless the minor kid gave permission, and the same time that Dr. Reid stated at one of her community meetings that if a parent opted a kid out of FLE, and the kid asked to go to any lesson dealing with transgendered topics, that the school would opt the kid back in without notifying parents in the name of inclusion and affirmation.

Parents, the school board meetings and board docs are very long and boring. The school board is counting on parents not paying attention to push through things that many parents, left or right, secular or religious, do not support. Please take time to educate yourself as to the priorities and focus of the school board. Your kids are worth the investment.

Nah. That's getting into medical decisions and the school should have no role in that, except for maybe in contagion situations (vaccinations have been standard in public school since I was in ES a millenia ago). I don't need the school giving medical advice as to risks/benefits of medical care for me or my child.

People acknowledging that trans people exist in the school are not "advocating" for trans. They are acknowledging them as human beings, even if you wish they'd just disappear into the ether. You blathering on on "left wing" advocacy outed you for what you are. You don't care about these kids, or any kids, you are just a bigot who wants to pretend these kids and gender issues are not real. Shame on you for that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

Yes -- this isn't being done to appease transgendered students themselves -- it is so that everyone understands that transgender people exist!!

X a million.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

If they are going to tell kids gender is fluid, FCPS needs to add comprehensive curriculum instruction on the documented physical risks of puberty blockers (including sterilizing children who take them and removing their future ability to achieve orgasm), hormone therapy (accelerated disease rates including cancer and heart disease, early and teen menopause, etc), risks of binders (damages muscular and skeletal structures, issues similar to corset wearing or foot binding), and dangers and complications of sex reassignment surgery (infdctions, loss of range of movement from mastectomy, loss of ability to breastfedd children, infection risks, lifelong medical patient, disease risks from removing ovaries or testicles)

If FCPS is crossing this line, then FCPS ethically and morally owes it to the students to be clear and honest of the risks and dangers of transgender medical transition treatment, and not lie to the kids that they can just change their genders medically without being honest about the very real physical and health consequences.

Most importantly, any instruction on transition needs to follow what has ALWAYS been included with FCPS fle classes, an emphatic statement that students "Please talk to your parents about any questions you have about this topic" and firm rules in place, just as they have always been, that teachers must not under any circumstances, share their own belief on any of this subject matter, including trans topics, and that they must defer to parents instead of injecting personal or political opinion.

This deferring to parents has always been the backbone of fcps fle classes

However, if you watch the school board meetings, especially this past 2 weeks, the FCPS school board is trying to push through a regulation removing the controversial issues policy entirely, and requiring teachers to speak up and advocate for left wing positions on any topic related to equity and transgender politics.

It is no accident that this change was being pushed at the same time as these changes to the FLE curriculum.

Nor is it a coincidence that these changes are being pushed at the same time as FCPS announcing it will not follow the governors new parents rights guidance, after this summer whem the school board started working on plans to create a parallel SIS system for all transgendered students that was inaccessible to parents unless the minor kid gave permission, and the same time that Dr. Reid stated at one of her community meetings that if a parent opted a kid out of FLE, and the kid asked to go to any lesson dealing with transgendered topics, that the school would opt the kid back in without notifying parents in the name of inclusion and affirmation.

Parents, the school board meetings and board docs are very long and boring. The school board is counting on parents not paying attention to push through things that many parents, left or right, secular or religious, do not support. Please take time to educate yourself as to the priorities and focus of the school board. Your kids are worth the investment.

Nah. That's getting into medical decisions and the school should have no role in that, except for maybe in contagion situations (vaccinations have been standard in public school since I was in ES a millenia ago). I don't need the school giving medical advice as to risks/benefits of medical care for me or my child.

People acknowledging that trans people exist in the school are not "advocating" for trans. They are acknowledging them as human beings, even if you wish they'd just disappear into the ether. You blathering on on "left wing" advocacy outed you for what you are. You don't care about these kids, or any kids, you are just a bigot who wants to pretend these kids and gender issues are not real. Shame on you for that.

DP. Calling someone a bigot for advocating biology is no way to have a discussion. This is a discussion site, and people will disagree. We can disagree civilly or call others names.

Generally I report and Jeff removes posts that include name-calling. Do better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

If they are going to tell kids gender is fluid, FCPS needs to add comprehensive curriculum instruction on the documented physical risks of puberty blockers (including sterilizing children who take them and removing their future ability to achieve orgasm), hormone therapy (accelerated disease rates including cancer and heart disease, early and teen menopause, etc), risks of binders (damages muscular and skeletal structures, issues similar to corset wearing or foot binding), and dangers and complications of sex reassignment surgery (infdctions, loss of range of movement from mastectomy, loss of ability to breastfedd children, infection risks, lifelong medical patient, disease risks from removing ovaries or testicles)

If FCPS is crossing this line, then FCPS ethically and morally owes it to the students to be clear and honest of the risks and dangers of transgender medical transition treatment, and not lie to the kids that they can just change their genders medically without being honest about the very real physical and health consequences.

Most importantly, any instruction on transition needs to follow what has ALWAYS been included with FCPS fle classes, an emphatic statement that students "Please talk to your parents about any questions you have about this topic" and firm rules in place, just as they have always been, that teachers must not under any circumstances, share their own belief on any of this subject matter, including trans topics, and that they must defer to parents instead of injecting personal or political opinion.

This deferring to parents has always been the backbone of fcps fle classes

However, if you watch the school board meetings, especially this past 2 weeks, the FCPS school board is trying to push through a regulation removing the controversial issues policy entirely, and requiring teachers to speak up and advocate for left wing positions on any topic related to equity and transgender politics.

It is no accident that this change was being pushed at the same time as these changes to the FLE curriculum.

Nor is it a coincidence that these changes are being pushed at the same time as FCPS announcing it will not follow the governors new parents rights guidance, after this summer whem the school board started working on plans to create a parallel SIS system for all transgendered students that was inaccessible to parents unless the minor kid gave permission, and the same time that Dr. Reid stated at one of her community meetings that if a parent opted a kid out of FLE, and the kid asked to go to any lesson dealing with transgendered topics, that the school would opt the kid back in without notifying parents in the name of inclusion and affirmation.

Parents, the school board meetings and board docs are very long and boring. The school board is counting on parents not paying attention to push through things that many parents, left or right, secular or religious, do not support. Please take time to educate yourself as to the priorities and focus of the school board. Your kids are worth the investment.

Nah. That's getting into medical decisions and the school should have no role in that, except for maybe in contagion situations (vaccinations have been standard in public school since I was in ES a millenia ago). I don't need the school giving medical advice as to risks/benefits of medical care for me or my child.

People acknowledging that trans people exist in the school are not "advocating" for trans. They are acknowledging them as human beings, even if you wish they'd just disappear into the ether. You blathering on on "left wing" advocacy outed you for what you are. You don't care about these kids, or any kids, you are just a bigot who wants to pretend these kids and gender issues are not real. Shame on you for that.

DP. The left wing NHS has recently found that most teens who are transgender are going through a transient phase. What exactly does acknowledging that trans people exist mean, in grade school, middle school and high school?

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Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

The sex ed part is all biology. Stop being so obtuse.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

There are two gametes, large and small. Males have bodies organized around producing small gametes, which are called sperm in humans, and females have bodies organized around producing large gametes, called eggs in humans. That’s it, two gametes so two sex classes in humans, male and female. There are genetic mutations that a very small number of people suffer from, but none produce a situation where someone can create both gametes or a third gamete. Much like a person born without a leg does not change the fact that humans are bipedal, neither does the fact that disorders of sexual development exist change the fact that humans reproduce sexually and people are either born male or female as defined above.

+1 Males are XY and females are XX

Yes, you have sex covered. There are physical differences between XX and XY. Gender is something else.

Sex <> gender

FLE is about anatomical, physical and biological changes that occur to XY and XX bodies during puberty.

If gender does not equal sex as you say, and gender is a social construct, then these gender debates have no place in FLE which is supposed to be based on science and biology, not social science and feelings.

Meh, religion doesn't belong in public school either. Yet it is.
Moreover, "gender" is something WIDELY discussed in schools starting in school, starting in ES. So, ignoring it is absolutely moronic. It's part of the sex discussion and absolutely belongs there. You wishing it away is not going to make those discussions disappear. What do you not understand about that?

If they are going to tell kids gender is fluid, FCPS needs to add comprehensive curriculum instruction on the documented physical risks of puberty blockers (including sterilizing children who take them and removing their future ability to achieve orgasm), hormone therapy (accelerated disease rates including cancer and heart disease, early and teen menopause, etc), risks of binders (damages muscular and skeletal structures, issues similar to corset wearing or foot binding), and dangers and complications of sex reassignment surgery (infdctions, loss of range of movement from mastectomy, loss of ability to breastfedd children, infection risks, lifelong medical patient, disease risks from removing ovaries or testicles)

If FCPS is crossing this line, then FCPS ethically and morally owes it to the students to be clear and honest of the risks and dangers of transgender medical transition treatment, and not lie to the kids that they can just change their genders medically without being honest about the very real physical and health consequences.

Most importantly, any instruction on transition needs to follow what has ALWAYS been included with FCPS fle classes, an emphatic statement that students "Please talk to your parents about any questions you have about this topic" and firm rules in place, just as they have always been, that teachers must not under any circumstances, share their own belief on any of this subject matter, including trans topics, and that they must defer to parents instead of injecting personal or political opinion.

This deferring to parents has always been the backbone of fcps fle classes

However, if you watch the school board meetings, especially this past 2 weeks, the FCPS school board is trying to push through a regulation removing the controversial issues policy entirely, and requiring teachers to speak up and advocate for left wing positions on any topic related to equity and transgender politics.

It is no accident that this change was being pushed at the same time as these changes to the FLE curriculum.

Nor is it a coincidence that these changes are being pushed at the same time as FCPS announcing it will not follow the governors new parents rights guidance, after this summer whem the school board started working on plans to create a parallel SIS system for all transgendered students that was inaccessible to parents unless the minor kid gave permission, and the same time that Dr. Reid stated at one of her community meetings that if a parent opted a kid out of FLE, and the kid asked to go to any lesson dealing with transgendered topics, that the school would opt the kid back in without notifying parents in the name of inclusion and affirmation.

Parents, the school board meetings and board docs are very long and boring. The school board is counting on parents not paying attention to push through things that many parents, left or right, secular or religious, do not support. Please take time to educate yourself as to the priorities and focus of the school board. Your kids are worth the investment.

Nah. That's getting into medical decisions and the school should have no role in that, except for maybe in contagion situations (vaccinations have been standard in public school since I was in ES a millenia ago). I don't need the school giving medical advice as to risks/benefits of medical care for me or my child.

People acknowledging that trans people exist in the school are not "advocating" for trans. They are acknowledging them as human beings, even if you wish they'd just disappear into the ether. You blathering on on "left wing" advocacy outed you for what you are. You don't care about these kids, or any kids, you are just a bigot who wants to pretend these kids and gender issues are not real. Shame on you for that.

Health and FLE classs give tuis information for other things such as nicotine, STDs, and other FLE and lifestyle behaviors that have grave permanent risk to students.

It absolutely should be included in any FLE or health class curriculum on transgenderism and transistions.

Unless your goal is to indoctrinate with incomplete or untrue information.

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Why is there some crazy lady on here accusing people of not having kids in FCPS just because we don't agree with her???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No trans discussion allowed. Ever. Get used to it.

+1

Not even discussion of boys or girls is allowed anymore.

Yep we can’t discuss biological differences between the two or the fact that there are two sexes. What a weird world we live in.

Assuming the two-and-only-two sexes you consider to be "fact" are male or female, which of the six most commonly occurring karyotypes do you assign to each sex?

Oh come on. Don’t act like there’s isn’t a HUGE drop off in prevalence rate for karyotypes other than XX and XY. Even the more common atypical karyotypes are not “common” at all. I would also bet a ton of money that most transgender people have a typical karyotype. You are conflating sex chromosome differences with gender identity when there is no solid evidence linking the two. Most people who identify as transgender have a normal karyotype, and there is no evidence that having a sex chromosome difference makes a person more likely to identify as transgender.

Claiming that there are multiple sexes is a losing talking point. It’s male or female, with the rare possibility of being born intersex. Even someone with Turner’s syndrome (1 X chromosome, no Y) is still considered female, for example.

Sex education should relate to the process and changes that occur due to one’s biological sex. Period. Bringing gender identity into it is just messy and confusing because so many factors go into that and we don’t yet understand them. If someone has a gender identity that doesn’t match with their sex, they still need to know about what will happen to THEIR body during puberty and beyond. I understand the push to have combined instruction is so transgender kids don’t have to go to the class that matches their biological sex but not their gender identity. But making those students more comfortable runs the risk of making other students uncomfortable. Not sure what to do about that.

I say FCPS just makes these a series of online modules that kids can watch on their computers with headphones, with the ability to submit questions to someone they know and trust at their school. That would get around all of this arguing about who should sit with whom while learning content that is generally uncomfortable for all of them.

Agree.

Keep FLE strictly biological and clinical based off chromosones.

Anyone who is uncomfortable with FLE, whether it is a trans girl who doesn't want to sit with the boys, or a religious Christian or Muslim who feels sex ed should be taught by the family should opt their kid out of FLE.

Changing around FLE to appease the tiny percentage of people who think there is no such thing as boys and girls is no different than changing FLE to appease the tiny percentage who think no one should be taught about periods until middle school or STDs ever.

Stop this pushing fringe beliefs on the 100,000 or so fcps 4th through 10th graders, and stop throwing away a perfectly comprehensive, biological and clinical sex ed program to reshape it into ambiguities and untruths.

The trans advocates uncomfortable with factual sex ed should opt out, just as the conservative religious are told to opt out.

Very little of FLE gets into the "biology" or physical stuff.

It's beneficial for everyone to acknowledge that transgender people exist.


p.s. Literally, no one said "no such thing as boys and girls".

Yes -- this isn't being done to appease transgendered students themselves -- it is so that everyone understands that transgender people exist!!

There are some even on this thread who don't realize that. If they've reproduced, their children are at risk of similar ignorance.