Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Especially moms of potential recruited D1 athletes. When an issue starts to affect your daughter’s future, then people wake up.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

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Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

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https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

Your link is ten years old, but thanks.

Do you think the basic facts about comorbidity have changed in the last 10 years?

More up-to-date information on the influence of any data produced by Trevor Project can be found on an article by Caroline Downey “Undercover mom discovers depravity in Trevor Project’s trans chat room supposedly for youth.” New York Post, September 1, 2022

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

I'm a parent and he's not on my side. I'm a feminist and he's not on my side. There are aspects of the policy that I think are okay and middle ground and aspects I think are not. What about parents who don't want to alert the school that their child is transgender but they want to allow their child to socially transition with trusted teachers? Given that there are states that are criminalizing parent's support for their transgender children--and the general biases against transgender--there are likely parents who don't want an official record on this.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

I'm a parent and he's not on my side. I'm a feminist and he's not on my side. There are aspects of the policy that I think are okay and middle ground and aspects I think are not. What about parents who don't want to alert the school that their child is transgender but they want to allow their child to socially transition with trusted teachers? Given that there are states that are criminalizing parent's support for their transgender children--and the general biases against transgender--there are likely parents who don't want an official record on this.

Honestly?

If I were in your position, then I would send the school a signed letter that your child has your persmission to experiment with gender, name changes and pronouns in support of your family's sincerely held beliefs in gender fluidity.

Based on the policy, this would be allowed as it shows parent knowledge and consent.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

If you keep saying it maybe someone will believe it's true.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

I'm a parent and he's not on my side. I'm a feminist and he's not on my side. There are aspects of the policy that I think are okay and middle ground and aspects I think are not. What about parents who don't want to alert the school that their child is transgender but they want to allow their child to socially transition with trusted teachers? Given that there are states that are criminalizing parent's support for their transgender children--and the general biases against transgender--there are likely parents who don't want an official record on this.

Honestly?

If I were in your position, then I would send the school a signed letter that your child has your persmission to experiment with gender, name changes and pronouns in support of your family's sincerely held beliefs in gender fluidity.

Based on the policy, this would be allowed as it shows parent knowledge and consent.

This is not a bad idea, but I'm not convinced it wouldn't lead to potential discrimination/hassles for a kid down the road. I do not trust the right wing.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

I'm a parent and he's not on my side. I'm a feminist and he's not on my side. There are aspects of the policy that I think are okay and middle ground and aspects I think are not. What about parents who don't want to alert the school that their child is transgender but they want to allow their child to socially transition with trusted teachers? Given that there are states that are criminalizing parent's support for their transgender children--and the general biases against transgender--there are likely parents who don't want an official record on this.

I feel as though this doesn't align with what gender affirming parents want, or with what parents who have concerns about gender affirmation claim to want.

For example, I hear a lot about girls and women being comfortable in the bathroom as a goal. By the trans kid in my life would be forced to use the girls' bathroom, despite appearing 100% male. Having been in a women's bathroom with that kid, I can tell you that a lot of women are uncomfortable when they think there is a tween boy in the bathroom. So, a policy like MD schools have of designating some bathrooms as all gender, and allowing people to choose between a single sex/gender bathroom and an all gender one, is going to make girls and women more comfortable, not less.

I hear a lot about how people think that being transgender is a "phase" and they'll change back. But forcing people to go through legal name changes, and adding permanent documentation to their educational records, would seem to discourage people from changing back. Keeping it casual makes it easier to undo.

I hear that people think that parents should have all the rights. But as a parent who named their kid Larlo Thomas and called him Tommy from birth, because his Dad, Grandfather, and Greatgrandfather are all named Larlo, a policy where I need to jump through hoops to get him called Tommy at school seems disrespectful to my rights as a parent.

It almost seems like what the right wing wants isn't to protect women and girls, or parents rights, or kids who might be transitioning due to social contagion. It's to whip people into a frenzy so they'll vote against their own best interests. You know, like they did with the CRT nonsense.

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I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

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I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

I'm a parent and he's not on my side. I'm a feminist and he's not on my side. There are aspects of the policy that I think are okay and middle ground and aspects I think are not. What about parents who don't want to alert the school that their child is transgender but they want to allow their child to socially transition with trusted teachers? Given that there are states that are criminalizing parent's support for their transgender children--and the general biases against transgender--there are likely parents who don't want an official record on this.

I feel as though this doesn't align with what gender affirming parents want, or with what parents who have concerns about gender affirmation claim to want.

For example, I hear a lot about girls and women being comfortable in the bathroom as a goal. By the trans kid in my life would be forced to use the girls' bathroom, despite appearing 100% male. Having been in a women's bathroom with that kid, I can tell you that a lot of women are uncomfortable when they think there is a tween boy in the bathroom. So, a policy like MD schools have of designating some bathrooms as all gender, and allowing people to choose between a single sex/gender bathroom and an all gender one, is going to make girls and women more comfortable, not less.

I hear a lot about how people think that being transgender is a "phase" and they'll change back. But forcing people to go through legal name changes, and adding permanent documentation to their educational records, would seem to discourage people from changing back. Keeping it casual makes it easier to undo.

I hear that people think that parents should have all the rights. But as a parent who named their kid Larlo Thomas and called him Tommy from birth, because his Dad, Grandfather, and Greatgrandfather are all named Larlo, a policy where I need to jump through hoops to get him called Tommy at school seems disrespectful to my rights as a parent.

It almost seems like what the right wing wants isn't to protect women and girls, or parents rights, or kids who might be transitioning due to social contagion. It's to whip people into a frenzy so they'll vote against their own best interests. You know, like they did with the CRT nonsense.

You would not need to jump through any hoops to call Larlo Thomas by the name of Tommy, Tom, Tomi, Lars, Lo, Lilo, Larla, Larlar, Tomasino, or any other derivative of his legal name. This is clearly spelled out in the guidance.

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Anonymous wrote:I looked at the model policies and they mostly seem appropriate to me. The one thing I disagree with though is that teachers have a consistitutional right to refuse to use the child’s preferred name and pronouns. If the school decides it is school policy to used the names students chose for themselves, then it is very disruptive for teachers to refuse to do so. Imagine if a teacher refused to call a student “Mohamed” or “Jesus” because they claimed that violated their religious beliefs? Religious & speech rights are never absolute. And given that gender identity/expression is a protected class, it is hard to argue that teachers can freely refuse to recognize preferred gender identity. Your religious beliefs on gender do not give license to discriminate. Eg - an Orthodox teacher could not refuse to teach female students based on religious beliefs.

This was already decided in the courts.

Teachers cannot be required to use different pronouns.

This pronoun exemption is not something Youngkin created. It was already decided in the courts. I believe the case is cited somewhere in the document.

Read the entire document.

It is very moderate and reasonable, and not at all what the detractors and headlines will have you believe.

Parents of trans kids need to read the entire document. It might allay some of your fears and concerns.

no, no courts have decided that teachers have a right to refuse to use preferred names and pronouns.

Several teachers have won lawsuits against school systems that suspended or fired them for refusing to use pronouns or different names for children.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

Not at all -- most parents in our area think he's WAY WAY worse than expected.

Total MAGA trying to fire up the base.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

Great. So in addition to being racist ("CRT!") and misogynistic ("go on the offense on abortion!"), you're also anti-LGBTQ.

VA is for bigots.