Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

[Anonymous]

The governor is putting sane policies in place. Good for him.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

+1 Well said!

Wow. Such a wordy rationalization of your bigotry.

tl;dr: you’re anti-trans

Is this the level at which you want to engage in this debate? Make a valid point and you might change my mind. Seriously.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

Common sense means different things to you and me. Please define 'common sense'.

You and the people that stand with Youngkin want to be catered to because you 'believe' something. Well I believe something different. I don't believe schools even can encourage transitions. I believe that giving adults in a school the backing to purposefully misgender students is hurtful and cruel.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

Yep. When my friend came out to his parents his dad beat him. They sent him to one of those conversion camps where they made him watch gay porn and shocked him. They burned any childhood toys he kept. Those of us at school knew he was suicidal but got him through, especially with support from our drama teacher. He has explicitly said that she saved his life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

Are you serious that you don’t know the gay and trans kids kill them selves at a higher rate in states that are not LGBT friendly? Seriously do you not know that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

Your link is ten years old, but thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

+1 Well said!

Well said if you are a QAnon supporter

[Anonymous]

The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

Yep. When my friend came out to his parents his dad beat him. They sent him to one of those conversion camps where they made him watch gay porn and shocked him. They burned any childhood toys he kept. Those of us at school knew he was suicidal but got him through, especially with support from our drama teacher. He has explicitly said that she saved his life.

And to add, my wonderful drama teacher who saved this kid's life and provided a safe space for LGBT and any other misfit kids would face getting fired under this transphobic and anti gay crap. They don't want people like her out there telling kids there's hope for them in the future.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg. How will FCPS respond to this madness?

“In a major rollback of LGBTQ rights, the administration of Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) will require that transgender students in Virginia access school facilities and programs that match the sex they were assigned at birth and is making it more difficult for students to change their names and genders at school.
Under new “model policies” for schools’ treatment of transgender students released Friday evening, the Department of Education is requiring that families submit legal documentation to earn their children the right to change names and genders at school. The guidelines also say teachers cannot be compelled to refer to transgender students by their names and genders if it goes against “their constitutionally protected” free speech rights.
And the guidelines say schools cannot “encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender” — raising the prospect that teachers could be forced to out transgender students to their parents.
School districts must adopt the new state guidelines or “policies that are more comprehensive,” after a 30-day comment period that will begin on Sept. 26“

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/16/trans-students-virginia-bathroom-sports/

Thank God!!! I don’t want a boy in my girl’s bathroom.

This is what wrong with so many people….

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

You can’t just muse about the cause of suicides. Parental and community support of gender identity significantly reduces suicide rates.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7578185/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He is just awful. There are so many statistics about the danger many of these kids are in from their parents and others, and from suicide. And Youngkin wants to make sure these kids are in danger.

Can you cite these statistics?

NP
https://www.thetrevorproject.org/resources/article/facts-about-lgbtq-youth-suicide/

It is true that transgender youth are more likely to commit suicide. Considering that dysmorphia is often enough comorbid with a bunch of other stuff, https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21671938/, causality is far from clear. BTW do you really think the Trevor project came into this analysis trying to find the answer, in a spirit of scientific inquiry? Or maybe do you think you should interpret their study through the lens of understanding they are advocates for a position.

This "but they'll commit suicide" argument -- maybe it's true, but the evidence is not speaking loudly, if at all. Could even be the other way, that encouraging transitions leads to more suicides. Given the lack of careful causal analysis in this literature, we'll probably never know. That argument certainly does grab attention though.

BTW do you think people really "want these kids to be in danger"? I expect most believe (rightly) that gender dysmorphia is mostly a fad and that a return to common sense in the schools will do more good than harm for kids. I think you're turning your opponents into monsters to make yourself feel more righteous. They're not.

+1 Well said!

Wow. Such a wordy rationalization of your bigotry.

tl;dr: you’re anti-trans

Is this the level at which you want to engage in this debate? Make a valid point and you might change my mind. Seriously.

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/teens-gay-or-straight-more-likely-attempt-suicide-conservative-towns-flna1c9462047

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

Yep. When my friend came out to his parents his dad beat him. They sent him to one of those conversion camps where they made him watch gay porn and shocked him. They burned any childhood toys he kept. Those of us at school knew he was suicidal but got him through, especially with support from our drama teacher. He has explicitly said that she saved his life.

Was he trans or gay? Because those are two different things.