Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

Unless that kid is also using female pronouns and goes by a girl’s name, he might not be trans. He could just be gender non-conforming. That’s a dress code issue, but we don’t enforce that anyway so 🤷‍♀️

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Maybe farther out. In close-in neighborhoods, it's the opposite. Youngkin is turning out even worse than expected. Kinda like Trump.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

Great. So in addition to being racist ("CRT!") and misogynistic ("go on the offense on abortion!"), you're also anti-LGBTQ.

VA is for bigots.

No, finally, VA is for sanity. I agree completely with PP. Well done, Gov Youngkin.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Maybe farther out. In close-in neighborhoods, it's the opposite. Youngkin is turning out even worse than expected. Kinda like Trump.

I don't know what you mean by "close-in neighborhoods," but you are completely wrong on this. Youngkin is very popular across the state for actions like this. Your 25-YO friends are probably the exception, but parents of girls care about this issue and support him on it, despite the "hate has no home here" virtue-signaling signs you see in the front yards.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

Great. So in addition to being racist ("CRT!") and misogynistic ("go on the offense on abortion!"), you're also anti-LGBTQ.

VA is for bigots.

No, finally, VA is for sanity. I agree completely with PP. Well done, Gov Youngkin.

VA is for racists.
VA is for misogynists.

And now...

VA is for anti-trans bigots.

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

Not at all -- most parents in our area think he's WAY WAY worse than expected.

Total MAGA trying to fire up the base.

Oh please. Hyperbole much? I don't believe you for a second. "Most parents" in your area do not think he's WAY WAY worse than expected.

Names and location, please, or you are completely making this up.

[Anonymous]

What haooened to the autism posts? Those were very informative and completely relevant to the discussion.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Maybe farther out. In close-in neighborhoods, it's the opposite. Youngkin is turning out even worse than expected. Kinda like Trump.

I don't know what you mean by "close-in neighborhoods," but you are completely wrong on this. Youngkin is very popular across the state for actions like this. Your 25-YO friends are probably the exception, but parents of girls care about this issue and support him on it, despite the "hate has no home here" virtue-signaling signs you see in the front yards.

He is not at all popular in close-in neighborhoods in NoVA.

- mom of competitive athlete daughter

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

So, given that you don't know if that person is XY or XX and taking testosterone, wouldn't the way to prevent that person from being in a restroom with your kid be to support an all gender restroom as a third option? So that kid can go to the restroom with people who are comfortable sharing a restroom with them?

Because the trans kid who looks like a man in my family would be forced to use the restroom with your daughter under this law, and they don't want to be there either.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

Maybe farther out. In close-in neighborhoods, it's the opposite. Youngkin is turning out even worse than expected. Kinda like Trump.

I don't know what you mean by "close-in neighborhoods," but you are completely wrong on this. Youngkin is very popular across the state for actions like this. Your 25-YO friends are probably the exception, but parents of girls care about this issue and support him on it, despite the "hate has no home here" virtue-signaling signs you see in the front yards.

+1. I also know school staff who feels this way. Some of them have started to speak up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The data suggest taking steps to create an affirming home or school environments could be crucial suicide-prevention tools. The report found that fewer than 1 in 3 trans and nonbinary youth felt affirmed in their gender at home, and LGBTQ youth who felt high social support from their family reported attempting suicide at less than half the rate of those who felt low or moderate social support. The survey found that LGBTQ youth who reported their school to be LGBTQ-affirming also reported lower rates of attempting suicide. “Sometimes people look at a broad social trend like this, and they think about laws that need to change, policies that need to change, and those do need to happen,” Paley says. “But every single person has the ability to create a different experience for the young people in their life.”

https://time.com/6173081/suicidal-thoughts-lgbtq-youth/

We are in very liberal northern virginia where almost every house has one of those rainbow in this house we believe signs.

Parents here are not sending their kids to conversion camp for being gay or trans. They are throwing them parties.

There is no reason for schools to hide this kind of information from parents.

Read the actual document.

Not the filtered through bias media summaries.

It is a well thought out document.

There are definitely POS Youngkin-voting parents in this area.

POS politicians like Karl Frisch try to command the stage and set the agenda. Our kids may not end up crossing genders, but parents may cross political lines to vote for common-sense politicians like Youngkin.

Anyone I know who crossed political lines to vote for Youngkin no longer think he has common-sense and deeply regrets their decision. And I'm a moderate and know quite a few.

Polls are showing that Youngkin's approval is increasing. It is close to 60% now, with only 35% disapproving. Disapproval is virtually unchanged since he was elected.

56% approval is the average polling rate. But his polling has gone down in NoVA which is where we are talking about.

I am seeing in my neighbirhood feminist liberal moms of girls who support Youngkin on this issue. It could go either way in northern Virginia

I don't object as much to this issue (except I think there's some sneakiness in the wording around whether teachers need to call students by their preferred name/pronoun)--the guidance isn't as bad as I was worried about. But every mom I know who voted Youngkin regrets it. I know about 12.

I definitely think reading the entire guidance helps to lower the temperature in the room.

I have seen a swing of support towards Youngkin the more he governs. It probably depends on our circles, of course.

But ai do know that moms of girl athletes support him on this issue. And a lot of moms of middle school girls who might otherwise lean liberal but are seeing this explosion with their young teen girls and are getting very concerned with the social contagion and overal anti woman feel of the trans push. I think the political element of the trans community has overplayed its hand a bit, so pushback from otherwise left of center parents is starting to happen.

I wonder whether you are being disingenuous unless you are talking about conservative circles. Or your friends don't tell you the truth or only tell you the limited ways they support something Youngkin does. His views on abortion are very conservative and nd he's not governed as a moderate. Fortunately he's not that competent either so little will change.

I do think the transgender thing gets people freaked out because so many of their daughters are playing around with trans identities and people get worried about whether that means they are going to medically transition so they may be glad to see some of it reined in. But I don't know a single female athlete or parent who is concerned about transgirls and sports and I have four daughters who play competitive levels in different sports in MS and HS and upper ES travel teams. There are so few transgirls who play any sports at any competitive level.

Moderate dems and left of center. Fairfax county. Youngkin is popular or at least not unliked.

He is on the side of feminists and parents with this trans policy.

Not at all -- most parents in our area think he's WAY WAY worse than expected.

Total MAGA trying to fire up the base.

Oh please. Hyperbole much? I don't believe you for a second. "Most parents" in your area do not think he's WAY WAY worse than expected.

Names and location, please, or you are completely making this up.

You want me to list the names of parents we know?

How about we first list the "left of center" parents who support him, as the PP above claimed? It will be a much shorter list.