Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:First of all, the part of the statute being cited by Roem is a non-operative part of the statute.

And, second, Youngkin's team would be on solid grounds asserting that its revised policy is consistent with the policy in any event.

Now, you get to explain why you think it's OK for biological males to be in bathrooms and locker rooms with girls and how that is respectful of the rights of female students. We'll wait.

What does non operative mean? Who decides that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

$100 says that a) this didn’t happens and b) that you don’t even live in Fairfax County. I should ask Jeff to share the location of your IP address.

So there are no trans girls in Fairfax County now?

Trans girls don’t wear full beards

It's way more fluid than that. Do you know any transgender kids?

Strawmanning is lame - PP claimed that the account didn't happen, not that "there are no trans girls in FCPS".

As PP said, it probably didn't happen. And the bigot probably doesn't even live in FC.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Omg. How will FCPS respond to this madness?

“In a major rollback of LGBTQ rights, the administration of Gov. Glenn Youngkin (R) will require that transgender students in Virginia access school facilities and programs that match the sex they were assigned at birth and is making it more difficult for students to change their names and genders at school.
Under new “model policies” for schools’ treatment of transgender students released Friday evening, the Department of Education is requiring that families submit legal documentation to earn their children the right to change names and genders at school. The guidelines also say teachers cannot be compelled to refer to transgender students by their names and genders if it goes against “their constitutionally protected” free speech rights.
And the guidelines say schools cannot “encourage or instruct teachers to conceal material information about a student from the student’s parent, including information related to gender” — raising the prospect that teachers could be forced to out transgender students to their parents.
School districts must adopt the new state guidelines or “policies that are more comprehensive,” after a 30-day comment period that will begin on Sept. 26“

Link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/09/16/trans-students-virginia-bathroom-sports/

Thank God!!! I don’t want a boy in my girl’s bathroom.

Except now apparently you will have trans boys in the girls bathroom.

Not one girls parent minds if a girl presenting as a biy uses the girls bathroom

The issue is any male, at any identity, can claim at any time that they identify as a girl to gain access to intimate female spaces such as girls locker rooms or bathrooms, with no pushback, even if that man is fully male, not actually trans, and has never entertained the idea of transitioning.

Getting parents involved brings sanity to a situation that has gone entirely off the rails.

+1 This exactly. I’m the PP. I don’t mind if a trans boy is my daughter’s bathroom bc they are actually a girl and have girl parts. I don’t want a boy posing as a girl in my girl’s locker or bathroom. Totally different.

So your solution is what, a genital check at the bathroom door? How do we know your cisgender female daughter isn’t really MtF transgender? How do we tell the difference between FtM transgender kids (who you say belong in the girls room) and cisgender male?

Don't give the pervy Republicans any ideas. They are already obsessed with youth genitals.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, the part of the statute being cited by Roem is a non-operative part of the statute.

And, second, Youngkin's team would be on solid grounds asserting that its revised policy is consistent with the policy in any event.

Now, you get to explain why you think it's OK for biological males to be in bathrooms and locker rooms with girls and how that is respectful of the rights of female students. We'll wait.

Why don’t we ask the teen girls themselves.

But the white, male Evangelicals know what is best for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just the beginning, folks. Next it’ll be LGB kids, then non-Christian kids…

Please read the entire 20 page document.

Your post does not align with the document.

That person’s post aligns perfectly with Youngkin and the modern GOP.

[Anonymous]

The problem with this policy is that yes it will curb a lot of nonsense and yes there is a lot of that but will also penalize those kids who actually are transgender

It’s basically saying put it in writing and if you aren’t willing to you aren”t serious and we aren’t entertaining it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:First of all, the part of the statute being cited by Roem is a non-operative part of the statute.

And, second, Youngkin's team would be on solid grounds asserting that its revised policy is consistent with the policy in any event.

Now, you get to explain why you think it's OK for biological males to be in bathrooms and locker rooms with girls and how that is respectful of the rights of female students. We'll wait.

What does non operative mean? Who decides that?

Non-operative refers to the part of a statute that contains prefatory language or contains general statements rather than creates rights or obligations. If there is litigation over whether Youngkin's policy complies with the statute, a court would interpret the language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with this policy is that yes it will curb a lot of nonsense and yes there is a lot of that but will also penalize those kids who actually are transgender

It’s basically saying put it in writing and if you aren’t willing to you aren”t serious and we aren’t entertaining it.

what kind of “Nonsense” is there a lot of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The problem with this policy is that yes it will curb a lot of nonsense and yes there is a lot of that but will also penalize those kids who actually are transgender

It’s basically saying put it in writing and if you aren’t willing to you aren”t serious and we aren’t entertaining it.

It would seem like changing one's gender would be a serious thing, not to be undertaken lightly or just because it's the cool thing to do and/or is encouraged by local advocacy groups.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

Thank you for your candor.

[Anonymous]

Common sense prevails!

I'm sure the idiotic FCPS School Board will waste untold amounts of taxpayer money fighting this, but thankfully Youngkin is on the right track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

Lol, you’re not a teacher and have probably never been in a school since you graduated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

So you’re an FCPS high school teacher? Is that correct? And how many students have you observed “changing their genders several times through the school year?”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

Teachers should not have to be put in the role of reporting to parents on this. Parents should not have to be put in the role of putting their children's gender identity exploration formally to the school. If kids want teachers to call them by a different name just let them. If a teacher refuses, then involve the parents. This has nothing to do with parents' rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment suggests otherwise.

You are nuts. The first thing a teacher does is call role on the first day and ask if a kid wants to be called by a different name. All the “treys” and “chips” and people who are called by their middle name WILL NOT BE able to do that. How the F%^& is a teacher to know if Lexi who is Alexander is okay to say. You have no idea that most names we say are difficult to pronounce anyway and require practice and we will not necessarily know if the kid is telling us the truth.