Youngkin will block schools from accommodating transgender students

[Anonymous]

Well done

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

+ 1. Not to mention students and staff who get dragged down along with the multiple and constantly changing pronouns to avoid being penalized as if they didn’t have anything better to do while at school.

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

Teachers should not have to be put in the role of reporting to parents on this. Parents should not have to be put in the role of putting their children's gender identity exploration formally to the school. If kids want teachers to call them by a different name just let them. If a teacher refuses, then involve the parents. This has nothing to do with parents' rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment suggests otherwise.

You are nuts. The first thing a teacher does is call role on the first day and ask if a kid wants to be called by a different name. All the “treys” and “chips” and people who are called by their middle name WILL NOT BE able to do that. How the F%^& is a teacher to know if Lexi who is Alexander is okay to say. You have no idea that most names we say are difficult to pronounce anyway and require practice and we will not necessarily know if the kid is telling us the truth.

Exactly. The trans kid in my life has a name like Alex with a legal name of Alexandra. They also have a cis female cousin named Charlie with a legal name of Charlotte. My own cis son has a name like John Teagan Jr. and goes by Teagan to keep from being mixed up with Dad. So, all three go by names that are less gendered than their "legal name". Are all three really going to be told "no"? Or is the teacher going to have to guess which one it applies to?

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

+ 1. Not to mention students and staff who get dragged down along with the multiple and constantly changing pronouns to avoid being penalized as if they didn’t have anything better to do while at school.

-100 First, you’re quoting someone who isn’t a high school teacher from FCPS. Second, you’re quoting someone who’s just making sh*t up. No one is changing their gender several times throughout the year. Third, you’re just making sh*t up as well.

Be sure to let your bigot group know you made some posts so you can get some participation points.

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Anonymous wrote:I have not read through the 12 pages of this thread.

My freshman son came home from school the first day talking about a junior who has a full beard and wears a sundress. Do you moms of girls really want your daughters to encounter someone like that in the school restroom?

All I can say is, thank you, Gov Youngkin. This is why many of us voted for him.

$100 says that a) this didn’t happens and b) that you don’t even live in Fairfax County. I should ask Jeff to share the location of your IP address.

a) This absolutely, 100% happened.

b) You are correct, I don't "even" live in Fairfax County. TBH, I responded to this from the general thread and didn't notice the forum title. I did not realize that living in Fairfax County is a requirement to read and post here.

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Anonymous wrote:“ Maybe if we didn't indulge every whim of these teen girls, they might have a chance to figure it out on their own.”

What does this mean? We should tell kids we don’t believe them? That they’re just confused and being silly?

I’m sorry but yes, that’s exactly what I think we should say to the ones who change genders several times through the school year. If you are female and identify as a male, that’s fine. I’ll call you by your chosen name. But I can’t keep up with changing pronouns. I think this is a mental health crisis and changing pronouns and genders weekly or monthly as a teen is a cry for help. It’s happening more and more and I think parents should step in and stop indulging in that. These kids are going to regret posting every thought online in 20 years. - local HS teacher

Lol, you’re not a teacher and have probably never been in a school since you graduated.

I am a real high school teacher. I wish this wasn’t true but it is exactly what’s happening in some public schools. I have 1-4 in every single class this year and those are the ones that have been vocal and told me. Things are very different than they were even 5 years ago.

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16:56 again. And yes, you can ask Jeff to verify. I am a high school teacher and have a child who is gay. I have posted about both many times over the years. I am 100% for LBGTQ+ rights but I am also for teen mental health. Things are really out of control with some of our youth at the moment and public schools are not helping the situation.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no doubt that the right-wing has correctly identified trans issues as a wedge issue to win back the women they are losing on abortion rights. But that doesn’t mean that there aren’t serious issues with some of what is going on with the approach to trans kids and in particular treatments that leave kids as lifelong medical patients. It is terrible this has become politicized because it’s preventing a rational conversation.

Yup. It's a medical discussion for someone to have with their doctors. Not a political discussion for Republicans to fearmonger votes.

The problem is that the medical establishment doesn’t have a great track record when it comes to protecting the bodily integrity of neurodiverse kids, POC kids, kids who are poor, etc. It’s all fine and well to say “this should just be a medical conversation” but that assumes that doctors can be trusted to make recommendations that aren’t harmful. And in this country, there is an awful history of medical harm done to more vulnerable people in the name of progress.

It should not be political, but it’s becoming political in part precisely because many people feel they cannot trust their doctors, and frankly for very good historic reason.

I trust doctors to "do no harm" more than I trust ignorant Republicans with a religious agenda in public office.

Sure. You do. But my point is that many parents do not, and often very good reasons. I mean it’s great that you’ve been privileged enough in life to be able to trust the medical establishment. But that’s not the case for many, many people and for good historic reasons. So politicians will resonate, because people do not trust the medical establishment, especially when it comes to their children.

In an ideal world, trans issues would be entirely handled by caring doctors. But we don’t live in an ideal world, and that’s why these issues are successfully being politicized.

"Many parents don't trust doctors"

Total BS argument.

Politicians get traction because we have a lot of bigots.

It must be nice to be young, healthy, wealthy, and white, and to never have had reason to distrust the medical establishment. I’m genuinely glad for you, PP, that you have the luxury of such total faith in doctors. But you sound pretty clueless about the very long history of why many parents (especially parents of kids who are POC, neurodivergent, not wealthy, etc.) might not feel that way. You can continue in your ignorance if you want, but one of the reasons that this issue is resonating as a political issue and the call to keep it as a medical issue is failing is because many people have good reason not to trust doctors.

POC mistrust of doctors is a real thing. It just has nothing to do with why parents are anti-trans bigots and think that politicians should be making medical decisions for people without their consent.

Genuine question for you: so do you think that it’s totally not an issue that the doctors who manage trans health care are overwhelmingly white, wealthy, neurotypical, extensively educated, and cisgender, while they treat a population that is more racially diverse than the population as a whole, with a high percentage of neurodivergent individuals, that is obviously not cisgender, and that is usually less well-off and less educated than the doctors are? Do you think it’s “bigotry” on the part of parents who are worried about that? Do you see how parents might feel stuck between a rock (medical establishment) and a hard place (Republican politicians) on issues of trans care for kids? Or do you think any unease parents might feel at what I described above is just “bigotry”?

Your posts strike me as wildly naive, if well-intentioned and passionate, and I’m trying to figure out if you can see any nuance whatsoever in this discussion.

Citation? And then please also share the demographics of all physicians.

It's bigotry to focus on this particular issue if you're really "concerned" about medical racial injustice in our state. Why not focus on POC maternal mortality rates? Access to care in rural areas? There are plenty of actual real-life medical issues for POC. Stop exploiting them for your own bigoted agenda.

Citation for what, exactly? That doctors who are treating transgender kids are overwhelmingly white, cisgender, heterosexual, wealthy, neurotypical, and highly educated and non-disabled? Maybe you are unfamiliar with the people who make up the physician population. Here is the 2020 AAMC matriculating students survey, which is a comprehensive survey done every year on matriculating medical students: https://www.aamc.org/media/50081/download

Questions 39 and 40 asks about gender identity and sexual orientation. The demographic questions are the first few questions. Family income is question 26.

You will predictably howl that this should not matter because this is true of all practice groups in medicine (even though specialists like endocrinologists are even more likely to be white, wealthy, neurotypical, etc. than, say, primary care). But most medical practices are not providing potentially sterilizing medical care, either. And they aren’t necessarily treating a group of patients that is so markedly vulnerable compared to who the doctors are. You want to ignore the absolutely brutal history of what medicine has done to vulnerable populations, especially when it comes to fertility, but a lot of us, we can’t ignore that history. I come from a demographic group that has extremely good reason to distrust the medical establishment. I realize you are young, white, and clearly extremely privileged, but your lashing about pretending that many people don’t trust the medical establishment simply because they are bigots just makes you look spoiled and entitled.

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Anonymous wrote:I would want to know if my kid was, say, throwing away all her lunch at school and not eating, because this would be a sign of an eating disorder. I’d want to know if my kid was being bullied or being a bully to someone else. Why can’t I also know if my kid is demanding to be called a different name and pronouns at school as well? It’s wrong to keep this information from parents when kids spend a lot of their waking hours at school. It’s still a parenting issue, not just a schools issue.

I hope you see that the order is MUCH more than that, but the answer is obvious: trans kids get abused by their parents all the time when they find out. Look at the stats; they are horrifying. A absurd number of trans kids wind up homeless. Many teachers want those kids to feel safe around them.

You are not qualified to assess risk at home based solely on self- reporting from a student in school. You tell the parent about concerns or call social services if you fear harm to the child.

Teachers should not have to be put in the role of reporting to parents on this. Parents should not have to be put in the role of putting their children's gender identity exploration formally to the school. If kids want teachers to call them by a different name just let them. If a teacher refuses, then involve the parents. This has nothing to do with parents' rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment suggests otherwise.

How so? How does the 14th amendment have anything to do with requiring teachers to report to parents what name children ask to use? That's nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Common sense prevails!

I'm sure the idiotic FCPS School Board will waste untold amounts of taxpayer money fighting this, but thankfully Youngkin is on the right track.

Let’s hope the FCPS School Board won’t waste time and resources the same way they did to keep schools closed for 1.5 years and, most recently, to force kids to wear masks just to contradict Governor Youngkin. Both times they justified their stance claiming to be following the science. Just like the FCPS School Board was wrong twice about science, with time, they will be proved wrong on this issue. In fact, the pendulum has already begun to swing the other way:

1. https://www.commonsense.news/p/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-gender

2. https://www.city-journal.org/major-flaws-in-new-study-on-pediatric-gender-transition

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Common sense prevails!

I'm sure the idiotic FCPS School Board will waste untold amounts of taxpayer money fighting this, but thankfully Youngkin is on the right track.

Let’s hope the FCPS School Board won’t waste time and resources the same way they did to keep schools closed for 1.5 years and, most recently, to force kids to wear masks just to contradict Governor Youngkin. Both times they justified their stance claiming to be following the science. Just like the FCPS School Board was wrong twice about science, with time, they will be proved wrong on this issue. In fact, the pendulum has already begun to swing the other way:

1. https://www.commonsense.news/p/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-gender

2. https://www.city-journal.org/major-flaws-in-new-study-on-pediatric-gender-transition

Okay there little youngkin troll farmer. You just brought up every issue he ran on to help your guy there didn’t you.

Here is mine:
People need in Virginia access to abortions and full health care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Common sense prevails!

I'm sure the idiotic FCPS School Board will waste untold amounts of taxpayer money fighting this, but thankfully Youngkin is on the right track.

Let’s hope the FCPS School Board won’t waste time and resources the same way they did to keep schools closed for 1.5 years and, most recently, to force kids to wear masks just to contradict Governor Youngkin. Both times they justified their stance claiming to be following the science. Just like the FCPS School Board was wrong twice about science, with time, they will be proved wrong on this issue. In fact, the pendulum has already begun to swing the other way:

1. https://www.commonsense.news/p/the-beginning-of-the-end-of-gender

2. https://www.city-journal.org/major-flaws-in-new-study-on-pediatric-gender-transition

+1000

[jsteele]

Unfortunately, posters have proven time after time that they are not capable of discussing transgender issues in a respectful manner. Inevitably, transphobes come out of the woodwork. When "libsoftiktok" is being posted (which I removed), it's time to lock the thread.