I’m confused! Trans swimmers Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig went head-to-head in the pool

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The simple answer to why Iszac is not competing on the men’s swim team , is because he knows he wouldn’t qualify if he had to compete against actual men since biologically he is a female.

I have no issue with people deciding what gender they identify as. It’s no ones business but their own.

The issue is here that these transgender swimmers are using their biological sex as an unfair advantage, separate from their psychological sex.

Iszac is all male, unless of course it would disadvantage him.

Can I identify as African American when I apply for jobs, but then identify as white when the police pull me over ?

Exactly.

I hope voters push through a major backlash to this predatory, lunatic ideology.

Normally, I hate the idea of Republicans winning, but what’s going on with Democrats is worse right now. This is the ultimate men’s rights activist movement and they’ve come up with the most terrifying plan I have ever heard of: They’re not just going to attack, marginalize, and even kill women, as men already do. They’re actually going to impersonate us and steal our identities. What in the Dystopian hell. It’s freaking terrifying.

[Anonymous]

USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

Doesn’t go far enough and too much room for discretion by officials under pressure from the trans lobby. But a step in the right direction after years of letting men invade women’s sports. It’s ridiculous we’re trying to accommodate men at the expense of women under the guise of “inclusion.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

Up next: USA Track and Field to set guidelines for the inclusion of adults in children’s sports and the inclusion of able-bodied people in the Special Olympics. Why stop at including men in women’s sports? Let’s revisit ALL categories and be as inclusive as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

If they are basing eligibility on testosterone levels, does that mean that men undergoing prostate cancer adrogen suppression treatment can enter women's events?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

If they are basing eligibility on testosterone levels, does that mean that men undergoing prostate cancer adrogen suppression treatment can enter women's events?

As long as they’re willing to put on the “women’s” suit or uniform, why not? It’s not PC to question motives lest we be less than 100% inclusive.

I can’t wait to see the women’s team swimsuits for the next Olympics- “featuring new, roomier crotches!”

[Anonymous]

I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

No, it won’t be fair. Someone who went through male puberty but lowered the testosterone level afterwards to an acceptable level for females will almost always have an unfair physiological advantage in most sports.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

You’re not smart enough to comment on this topic. Testosterone is the least of the significant differences between the two sexes. Women are not men with low testosterone levels. Men are not women with high testosterone levels.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

If they are basing eligibility on testosterone levels, does that mean that men undergoing prostate cancer adrogen suppression treatment can enter women's events?

As long as they’re willing to put on the “women’s” suit or uniform, why not? It’s not PC to question motives lest we be less than 100% inclusive.

I can’t wait to see the women’s team swimsuits for the next Olympics- “featuring new, roomier crotches!”

You think this is satire, but some women’s clothing lines are literally restructuring the crotches of women’s clothing to accommodate transgender “women” and their penises. That is the kind of delusion that this woke madness has normalized.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

The differences between male bodies and female bodies is far broader than testosterone levels. That doesn’t make any sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:USA swimming has just released a new policy. https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/usa-swimming-releases-new-transgender-athlete-policy-evidence-of-mitigation-required/

Although the policy says it does not apply to anyone who is not a USA Swimming Member (college athletes don't have to be), I believe the NCAA has said they will apply any applicable USA Swimming Policy as its own-- it actually said it would apply the rule in place by the U.S. governing body for each sport and the IOC if the U.S. organization did not have a policy. At a glance, the U.S.A Swimming policy seems to have struck an appropriate balance that recognizes the need for inclusion and the need to preserve fair competition fairness for cis women.

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/ncaa-announces-changes-to-transgender-athlete-policies-effective-immediately/

As noted, this is USA Swimming’s policy - which I am sure took the NCAA by surprise. It only applies to “Elite” swimmers and to USA Swimming events. The definition of Elite does not include college swimming. As an Elite swimmer who is MtF trans there is a procedure (I am sure not fully worked out yet) that requires review by a three person USA Swimming team. Obviously not a workable solution for college swimming. And - absent “Elite” swimming status - there are NO requirements. If you say you are MtF trans then you are - so suit up and jump in.

Probably not what anti-trans folks wanted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

It’s not just about testosterone. It’s about height, bones, lung capacity and muscles. A 6’ 4” swimmer will most likely get to the end of the pool faster than a 5’ 6” swimmer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I anticipate that sports will eventually be sorted by testosterone level without regard to gender, which will shake everything up for all gender identities, but it will be fair.

It’s not just about testosterone. It’s about height, bones, lung capacity and muscles. A 6’ 4” swimmer will most likely get to the end of the pool faster than a 5’ 6” swimmer.

Doesn't matter. NCAA said look to USA Swimming. USA Swimming said we don't care at all unless you are an Elite swimmer who we define as xyz (that does not include college), and if you are an Elite swimmer then we have a 3 person committee to review and approve things if you meet basically the Olympic competition standard.

[Anonymous]

The solution is to have a separate category for trans