I’m confused! Trans swimmers Lia Thomas and Iszac Henig went head-to-head in the pool

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article detailing how the Connecticut transgender athlete coveniently “lost” to one of the female plaintiffs just TWO days after the female athlete filed suit. But it’s transphobic to suggest transgender people are every bit as capable of anyone else of being grifters gaming the system to enjoy an unfair advantage, right?

https://www.fox61.com/amp/article/news/local/transgender-athlete-loses-track-race-lawsuit-ciac-high-school-sports/520-df66c6f5-5ca9-496b-a6ba-61c828655bc6


I think some of us even suggested this pages ago or on the other thread that was locked a while back.
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Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article detailing how the Connecticut transgender athlete coveniently “lost” to one of the female plaintiffs just TWO days after the female athlete filed suit. But it’s transphobic to suggest transgender people are every bit as capable of anyone else of being grifters gaming the system to enjoy an unfair advantage, right?

https://www.fox61.com/amp/article/news/local/transgender-athlete-loses-track-race-lawsuit-ciac-high-school-sports/520-df66c6f5-5ca9-496b-a6ba-61c828655bc6


I think some of us even suggested this pages ago or on the other thread that was locked a while back.

The evidence absolutely supports this conclusion. In addition to Lia Thomas and the Connecticut transgender woman runner, there is a third example. At the Olympics, the transgender woman weightlifter suddenly couldn’t lift 120kg when this same person lifted 126kg and 144kg at the same
event just months earlier. Laurel Hubbard won the Roma World Cup, an Olympic qualifying event, handily and then suddenly, when the whole world was watching for signs of an unfair advantage, couldn’t even complete one lift at the Olympics, huh? Complete nonsense.
Anonymous
Hey you don’t have to worry about it at all. The ncaa said trans athletes can compete however they want. No drugs. No testing. All good.
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Anonymous wrote:Here’s an article detailing how the Connecticut transgender athlete coveniently “lost” to one of the female plaintiffs just TWO days after the female athlete filed suit. But it’s transphobic to suggest transgender people are every bit as capable of anyone else of being grifters gaming the system to enjoy an unfair advantage, right?

https://www.fox61.com/amp/article/news/local/transgender-athlete-loses-track-race-lawsuit-ciac-high-school-sports/520-df66c6f5-5ca9-496b-a6ba-61c828655bc6


I think some of us even suggested this pages ago or on the other thread that was locked a while back.

This has become nothing more than a circus show (and yes I know it was even before that). Anyone who knows swimming knows that at the collegiate level, absent injury or illness, you don’t add 20 seconds to your time in the 500 free between meets a month apart. She clearly was pacing herself, but make no mistake she will show up at the NCAAs and put down the best times she can so that she can say she was the NCAA champion. She just wants to make sure she is allowed to compete in the NCAAs given the blowback. I don’t understand what pride she is taking in being faster than biological women, it’s not furthering her desire to be seen as a woman, and whatever you think about trans women competing against biological women, everyone knows that the reason she is beating biological female swimmers so soundly is that she is a biological male who went through puberty.
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This is great!
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Corrina Cohn has tremendous courage. As hard as it is for members of the general public to push back on the excesses and damaging nature of transgender ideology, it is even tougher for transgender people to do so. She has been attacked and threatened and trans activiste have tried to get her fired and impoverished. I have no doubt that attacks on her from the transgender community will only intensify now that she is testifying.
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I’m the PP who posted about Corinna Cohn being savagedly attacked by trans activists (but I’m not the PPs who posted the Twitter link to her testimony or commented favorably on it).

Corinna, a transexual what Corinna prefers to be called) wrote a powerful, terrifying article about what being groomed by transgender women did to her life:

https://quillette.com/2020/06/22/for-30-years-ive-tried-to-become-a-woman-heres-what-i-learned-along-the-way/
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The backlash against men invading women’s spaces is here and it will sweep out Democrats, as they deserve.

I would rather an anti-choice Republican than a pro-transgender Democrat. If I must choose, then I would rather women’s sports, bathrooms, changing rooms, scholarships, fellowships, funding for medical research, and all the areas set aside for women be safe from male encroachment. What good is the right to abortion when Democrats are allowing men to self-ID as “women” and pilfer the funds for women’s health that make safe abortions possible? Already, increasing amounts of the little spent on women’s health is being diverted to “women with prostates.” Disgusting


+ a million

The Democrats are systematically dismantling literally everything that protects women's rights and bodies in our society, and giving it to men, who we are then supposed to pretend are actually women. Even though they have a p#nis in the women's locker room. And if you don't agree with that, you're a bigot, and the woke crowd will ruin you. So we're not even allowed to say anything about it. All we can do is vote.

The Republicans know this issue is working for them, and they are going to make a big push on trans issues in 2022 and 2024.
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Anonymous wrote:The question OP asked has yet to be answered. He should on the male swim team, which I am in full support of. But why did they let him stay on the females? Plus, its likeky causing great distress for him.


Him staying on the women's team is the unfair outcome of being a trans athlete. To be clear, I don't think there is an answer that's fair to everyone, but the way this is playing out is particularly unfair to biological women. Henig did not join the men's team because he couldn't compete and wouldn't win in the men's competitions; we don't even know if he would have made the team. Trans men have to make that choice of whether or not to fully transition OR stay competitive in the sport they've played since childhood and invested a lot of time and money in. Henig made his choice. Trans women, on the other hand, don't have to make any sort of choice like that. It's a win-win, because Thomas gets to transition AND dominant the sport.

My concern with trans athletes is that it's only going one way. We aren't seeing any trans men push to join the men's team because it's a biological impossibility to be competitive, even if they have taken a few years of testosterone. Trans men aren't joining the track team, as trans women are. They aren't joining the swim team. They aren't joining the basketball team. So trans men are out of luck and by transitioning are accepting they are giving up the ability to play competitive sports. Trans women aren't giving up anything.

The argument that it's unfair for all trans athletes to have to give up their sport if they transition is a false false dilemma, because it only goes one way and that's to the advantage of the biological male.



In your experience, do all cis males make every team they try out for?


Yes, in my experience, all cis male athletes would make the female team of the same sport.


That wasn't the question. though. was it?

There will always be cis boys who don't make the boy's team.
There will always be cis girls who don't make the girl's team.

If you think the thing holding your daughter back from being Katie Ledecky is that there is a trans girl on her swim team, I don't know what to tell you.


Is your argument that there are no physiological differences between men and women that confer any innate advantages to the male sex that become overwhelmingly apparent in sports? Because if that is what you are suggesting then I strongly recommend that you consult a human anatomy textbook.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s get this out of the way : No transphobic comments so this thread doesn’t get shut down.

Now, I don’t have an issue with trans-athletes competing on their new gendered team as long as the appropriate changes have been made relative to the sports requirements. That said, I don’t understand why there is a trans man is competing on the Yale’s female swim team. How does that make any sense, this person should WANT to be on the male swim team. Doesn’t this make it an open/mixed team.

Here is the article : https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/9/22874147/lia-thomas-iszac-henig-penn-swimming-transgender-athlete-yale-ncaa-ivy

The headline: Thomas showed slower times in her two wins, as Yale transgender swimmer Iszac Henig showed speed, beating Thomas head-to-head.


Henig was apparently with the team before becoming a trans man. He specifically did not do his hormone treatments so as not to be ineligible to compete this last time with his teammates.


Okay, that’s nice and all but I’m sure it causes him great gender dysphasia to stay. I’m sure he doesn’t feel comfortable. Why didn’t he switch teams


I’m sure you’ll be sad to learn that it’s not up to you to dictate what choices other people make regarding their own gender expression.

There are rules, and he followed them. Good for him.


So you agree that sports should be segregated on the basis of sex and not gender identity? Good, then I hope you also agree that Iszac Henig should compete with MEN.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s get this out of the way : No transphobic comments so this thread doesn’t get shut down.

Now, I don’t have an issue with trans-athletes competing on their new gendered team as long as the appropriate changes have been made relative to the sports requirements. That said, I don’t understand why there is a trans man is competing on the Yale’s female swim team. How does that make any sense, this person should WANT to be on the male swim team. Doesn’t this make it an open/mixed team.

Here is the article : https://www.outsports.com/trans/2022/1/9/22874147/lia-thomas-iszac-henig-penn-swimming-transgender-athlete-yale-ncaa-ivy

The headline: Thomas showed slower times in her two wins, as Yale transgender swimmer Iszac Henig showed speed, beating Thomas head-to-head.


Henig was apparently with the team before becoming a trans man. He specifically did not do his hormone treatments so as not to be ineligible to compete this last time with his teammates.


Okay, that’s nice and all but I’m sure it causes him great gender dysphasia to stay. I’m sure he doesn’t feel comfortable. Why didn’t he switch teams


I’m sure you’ll be sad to learn that it’s not up to you to dictate what choices other people make regarding their own gender expression.

There are rules, and he followed them. Good for him.


So you agree that sports should be segregated on the basis of sex and not gender identity? Good, then I hope you also agree that Iszac Henig should compete with MEN.

Henig should be forced to compete with men or else banned because she is almost certainly on estrogen suppressants and has altered her body. All of those actions would constitute cheating and be disqualifying under the rules that govern all other female swimmers. So, Henig’s “gender identity” shouldn’t be a get out of jail free card.
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The girls on the swim team have also expressed their discomfort sharing a locker room with Lia because she still has her male genitalia and doesn't always cover up.

'Multiple swimmers have raised it, multiple different times,' the UPenn swimmer said. 'But we were basically told that we could not ostracize Lia by not having her in the locker room and that there's nothing we can do about it, that we basically have to roll over and accept it, or we cannot use our own locker room.'

'It's really upsetting because Lia doesn't seem to care how it makes anyone else feel,' the swimmer continued. 'The 35 of us are just supposed to accept being uncomfortable in our own space and locker room for, like, the feelings of one.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10445679/Lia-Thomas-UPenn-teammate-says-trans-swimmer-doesnt-cover-genitals-locker-room.html
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The simple answer to why Iszac is not competing on the men’s swim team , is because he knows he wouldn’t qualify if he had to compete against actual men since biologically he is a female.

I have no issue with people deciding what gender they identify as. It’s no ones business but their own.

The issue is here that these transgender swimmers are using their biological sex as an unfair advantage, separate from their psychological sex.

Iszac is all male, unless of course it would disadvantage him.

Can I identify as African American when I apply for jobs, but then identify as white when the police pull me over ?
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