How long will the shutdown last?
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Anonymous
First of all, opinion polls that are not about elections tell you people think right now. They don't predict anything, like a thermometer does not predict temperature, it tells you the current temperature. Second, national elections do not provide policy answers. People vote for a candidate they prefer for a variety of reasons, not necessarily any one single policy, and not all people have the same reasons. Third, when passing legislation, BOTH HOUSES AND PRESIDENT must agree, except in cases of veto override, when it's 2 out of 3 against the President. When does one house of Congress get overruled? NEVER. Simply not part of our system. In the end, divided government requires cooperation, not specious arguments about things that aren't and never were. |
Anonymous
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Trump is not an American. He does not believe in anything but himself. |
Anonymous
I agree. GOP is going to cave. Next week. |
Anonymous
Agree, GOP will give in next week. Government will be opened first, then they can haggle about the wall until pigs fly. |
Anonymous
Disagree. I think that Trump is going to veto anything that comes his way and Turtle will go and blame the Democrats instead of overriding it. Stocks will go down as FDA, DOD, PTO shutdown. Dump the Trump will be heard on Wall Street and impeachment proceedings will begin. Then will the shutdown ends. But I’m an optimist. |
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I know most people are focused on TSA and IRS and the Coast Guards which is understandable but there is long term damage being done to small government agencies and government funded programs
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/science/2019/01/23/shutdown-could-soon-block-telescopes-view-heavens/ |
Anonymous
No. Really? /s |
Anonymous
Actually, I would think that is in keeping with the vast majority of Americans and their worship of money, consumerism, private property, and narcissism. |
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The shutdown might permanently impact some small and rural transit networks
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/24/government-shutdown-transportation-funding-1107192 |
Anonymous
Todays vote will show which republican Will live up to their constitutional duty of being co-equal branch of gov or being Donald’s rubber stamp. Very helpful for 2020. |
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The shutdown's impact on the US economy explained:
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/18/18188262/government-shutdown-economy-recession-workers-gdp There are also a bunch of small agencies and federal programs that the average taxpayer is unaware of. The federal government spends just 14.2% of its total budget on non defense discretionary spending. A big chunk of that 14.2% goes to bolster national security and ensure law and order (Department of Homeland Security, Department of Justice including the FBI, the CIA, State Department, Department of Corrections), Part of the 14.2% of the federal budget goes to fund many agencies and programs that do research and gather data. Scientific research for example is just 2% of the total federal budget and many of these programs are impacted (NOAA, FDA, USDA, NASA, NIST, Smithsonian to name a few). There are also many government agencies and programs that do economic research (Commerce Department, Census, Treasury, USDA, BLS to name just a few). They work synergistically so although BLS is open they cannot produce all the reports they normally do because they rely on data and analysis from the other agencies that are currently closed. The Federal Reserve is open but depends on data from all these government agencies to make informed decisions about monetary policy. We often hear that the most valuable commodity in our modern capitalist economy is data and no organization in the world produces and analyzes as much good data as the US government. We have a veritable brain trust of Ph.D scientists and Ph.D economists who gather and analyze incredible amounts of quality information. It is what farmers use to decide how much to plant and when to sell their crops, it is what our 401k managers use to decide what to buy and sell, it is what companies use to decide whether to expand, and how much to produce and how to plan for the future. Right now the eyes and ears all these private sector actors rely on are offline and the costs will be real over the next year as decisions are made on the basis of bad or incomplete information. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-shutdown-data-explainer/explainer-u-s-government-shutdown-leaves-data-vacuum-in-its-wake-idUSKCN1PG2UI https://www.npr.org/2019/01/20/687045376/lack-of-data-processing-during-government-shutdown-compounds-economic-effects The impact on scientific data collection and scientific research is also going to have long term effects. This is an excellent article which describes the short and long term impact on scientific research https://www.sciencenews.org/article/how-record-breaking-government-shutdown-disrupting-science |
Anonymous
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I hope Mark Warner's attempt to legislate common sense and decency with his "Stop Stupidity" Act to prevent shutdowns is successful
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-mark-warner-introduces-stop-stupidity-act-aimed-at-preventing-future-shutdowns/2019/01/22/2bafc150-1e82-11e9-8e21-59a09ff1e2a1_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.85df90343d09 Here is a quote from the comments section of this article: "For anyone who might be tempted to think shutting down the government is just a power play built into the structure of our government: No. If I grab a butter knife at dinner and stab someone, I don't get to blame the person who set the table. The butter knife wasn't meant for that. IOW, the modern-day weaponization of the shutdown is the problem here. The veto power of the POTUS is provided by the Constitution as one of the checks and balances of the system. Congress makes laws; the President can veto one if he believes it would be a bad law. He should NOT be able to blackmail Congress by dictating what the law must be, or he will veto necessary funding bills. Mitch McConnell is backing Trump's power play by refusing to do his job. Pass a funding bill. If Trump vetos it, override the veto. Time to choose country over partisan loyalty, Mitch. (There's always a first time....)" |
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Interview with Wilbur Ross today. Shows why billionaires - even genuine billionaires - are bad at governing.
CNBC: Secretary Ross, do you worry about safety at airports amid the shutdown? ROSS: I do, & it's disappointing that air traffic controllers are calling in sick CNBC: Many of them can't afford to support their families ROSS: Well, remember, they are eventually going to be paid He then says this about fed workers going to homeless shelters to get food: "I don't quite understand why." Says they should just go take out loans. |
Anonymous
I suggest they take a small one million dollar loan from daddy. |
Anonymous
| I’m so confused by all these government workers complaining that they’re about to go broke. How are they so destitute? Do they not have 6 months worth of cash savings- which any financial planner will tell you-? Or credit cards...? I just don’t get it. |