How long will the shutdown last?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-seeks-list-of-programs-that-would-be-hurt-if-shutdown-lasts-into-march/2019/01/23/661adb3a-1f55-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has pressed agency leaders to provide him with a list of the highest-impact programs that will be jeopardized if the shutdown continues into March and April, people familiar with the directive said.

Mulvaney wants the list no later than Friday, these people said, and it’s the firmest evidence to date that the White House is preparing for a lengthy funding lapse that could have snowballing consequences for the economy and government services.

The request is the first known inquiry from a top White House official seeking information about the spreading impact of the shutdown, which has entered its fifth week and is the longest in U.S. history. So far, top White House officials have been particularly focused on lengthening wait times at airport security, but not the sprawling interruption of programs elsewhere in the government.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose Mulvaney’s demand.

Yes, Trump is preparing to cause irreversible damage to our country. We need a Venezuela style revolt and World should recognize Pelosi as the POTUS.

SMH Seriously?!
Instead of trying to govern they are going to open the high profile, popular agencies and keep agencies like EPA, the regulatory agencies, Smithsonian, NIST, Interior etc shut

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-seeks-list-of-programs-that-would-be-hurt-if-shutdown-lasts-into-march/2019/01/23/661adb3a-1f55-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has pressed agency leaders to provide him with a list of the highest-impact programs that will be jeopardized if the shutdown continues into March and April, people familiar with the directive said.

Mulvaney wants the list no later than Friday, these people said, and it’s the firmest evidence to date that the White House is preparing for a lengthy funding lapse that could have snowballing consequences for the economy and government services.

The request is the first known inquiry from a top White House official seeking information about the spreading impact of the shutdown, which has entered its fifth week and is the longest in U.S. history. So far, top White House officials have been particularly focused on lengthening wait times at airport security, but not the sprawling interruption of programs elsewhere in the government.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose Mulvaney’s demand.

Yes, Trump is preparing to cause irreversible damage to our country. We need a Venezuela style revolt and World should recognize Pelosi as the POTUS.

SMH Seriously?!
Instead of trying to govern they are going to open the high profile, popular agencies and keep agencies like EPA, the regulatory agencies, Smithsonian, NIST, Interior etc shut

Are those employees simply going to be called in without pay?

[Anonymous]

I think there is an expiration date on this shutdown that could be this next week, and won't be longer than another month.

People simply cannot go to work when they are homeless. The pot is going to boil over and then Congress and Trump will do something to get it going -- even if that is only for a week so that payroll can be processed. With this 2nd payday being missed, and the end of the month coming up, the rubber is going to meet the road and the minor mutiny is going to become a major mutiny. There simply is no way people who have to show up to work are going to keep showing up while their cars are being repossessed, they are being evicted from rentals, etc. etc.

The expiration date is going to come sooner rather than later.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-seeks-list-of-programs-that-would-be-hurt-if-shutdown-lasts-into-march/2019/01/23/661adb3a-1f55-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has pressed agency leaders to provide him with a list of the highest-impact programs that will be jeopardized if the shutdown continues into March and April, people familiar with the directive said.

Mulvaney wants the list no later than Friday, these people said, and it’s the firmest evidence to date that the White House is preparing for a lengthy funding lapse that could have snowballing consequences for the economy and government services.

The request is the first known inquiry from a top White House official seeking information about the spreading impact of the shutdown, which has entered its fifth week and is the longest in U.S. history. So far, top White House officials have been particularly focused on lengthening wait times at airport security, but not the sprawling interruption of programs elsewhere in the government.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose Mulvaney’s demand.

Yes, Trump is preparing to cause irreversible damage to our country. We need a Venezuela style revolt and World should recognize Pelosi as the POTUS.

SMH Seriously?!
Instead of trying to govern they are going to open the high profile, popular agencies and keep agencies like EPA, the regulatory agencies, Smithsonian, NIST, Interior etc shut

Are those employees simply going to be called in without pay?

They've already started to do that. IRS workers were called back to process refund checks. Ironic. Unpaid people are going to send checks to other people.

[Anonymous]

Except most of the unpaid IRS staff can't afford gas in order to drive to work, see news reports on Kansas City IRS workers. Many of them are typically paid $12 an hour.

[Anonymous]

Coast Guard leadership calls the shutdown "unacceptable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/unacceptable-coast-guards-top-officer-criticizes-lack-payment-government-shutdown/?utm_term=.364dc9935548

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Except most of the unpaid IRS staff can't afford gas in order to drive to work, see news reports on Kansas City IRS workers. Many of them are typically paid $12 an hour.

IRS return processing staff is very low grades. For example, many of those jobs start at GS-2. They’re jobs like data entry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard leadership calls the shutdown "unacceptable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/unacceptable-coast-guards-top-officer-criticizes-lack-payment-government-shutdown/?utm_term=.364dc9935548

Yeah we know that. But Mick Mulvaney is asking for a list of government programs that would be affected by an extended shutdown (farm subsidies etc.). They don’t care about the impact of the shutdown-they want to destroy most of the government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Coast Guard leadership calls the shutdown "unacceptable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2019/01/23/unacceptable-coast-guards-top-officer-criticizes-lack-payment-government-shutdown/?utm_term=.364dc9935548

Yeah we know that. But Mick Mulvaney is asking for a list of government programs that would be affected by an extended shutdown (farm subsidies etc.). They don’t care about the impact of the shutdown-they want to destroy most of the government.

Is it possible he's requesting this information to determine the viability of extending the shutdown?

[Anonymous]

I think it will be over sometime next week. The pressure is building on all sides. Reports about the FBI and FAA and TSA are really bad becoming untenable. GOP will agree to open without wall money in exchange for a promise to bring a vote to the floor on it.

[Anonymous]

At the end of February, SNAP runs out of money. That’s billions of dollars not in the pockets of big business - Walmart is the big one, but also Kroger. Big Business is the 4th branch of government and if their profits are threatened, the lobbyists will absolutely riot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Question about tomorrow’s Senate votes - if the Schumer proposal is essentially the same as what the House passed earlier this month, why are folks now saying it’s likely to fail in the Senate? I thought part of the outrage about McConnell not allowing a vote is that it was expected to pass and would force Trump to veto? But now it’s not expected to pass? Or is it not the same as what the House previously passed?

R controls the senate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/white-house-seeks-list-of-programs-that-would-be-hurt-if-shutdown-lasts-into-march/2019/01/23/661adb3a-1f55-11e9-9145-3f74070bbdb9_story.html

White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney has pressed agency leaders to provide him with a list of the highest-impact programs that will be jeopardized if the shutdown continues into March and April, people familiar with the directive said.

Mulvaney wants the list no later than Friday, these people said, and it’s the firmest evidence to date that the White House is preparing for a lengthy funding lapse that could have snowballing consequences for the economy and government services.

The request is the first known inquiry from a top White House official seeking information about the spreading impact of the shutdown, which has entered its fifth week and is the longest in U.S. history. So far, top White House officials have been particularly focused on lengthening wait times at airport security, but not the sprawling interruption of programs elsewhere in the government.

The people spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to disclose Mulvaney’s demand.

Yes, Trump is preparing to cause irreversible damage to our country. We need a Venezuela style revolt and World should recognize Pelosi as the POTUS.

SMH Seriously?!
Instead of trying to govern they are going to open the high profile, popular agencies and keep agencies like EPA, the regulatory agencies, Smithsonian, NIST, Interior etc shut

If it’s what you say it is, I love it!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think it will be over sometime next week. The pressure is building on all sides. Reports about the FBI and FAA and TSA are really bad becoming untenable. GOP will agree to open without wall money in exchange for a promise to bring a vote to the floor on it.

Vote first then open. Promises can be broken. Only a fool would agree to open first.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Good luck getting 70 senators. Despite what you believe, people in this country do want a wall and border security. Senators know this.

Except a majority of Americans do NOT want a border wall. So no.

I am not so sure. There has been only one candidate whose opening remarks were building a wall, and that guy won the election on his first try.

And lost the popular vote by more than 3 million and got historically crushed in the midterms. He is only President because of the Electoral College. But no, the majority of Americans overwhelmingly oppose spending money on the wall. Remember, Trump campaigned that Mexico was going to pay for it. So why are our Federal employees being squeezed?

We don't have a system of electing president by popular votes. R expanded its senate majority in the midterms. There is no definitive answer as to whether a majority of Americans want a wall. The only things are definitive -- Trump is the president, R controls the senate, and D controls the house. It appears 2/3 wants a wall.

We don't have system where the President + one House of Congress overrules the other House.

And as for what the majority want, they have polls for that. Polls do in fact provide definitive answers on what the majority of people want.

In our system, the minority has a say but it can't overrule the President and the other House of Congress.

Polls attempt to predict. Polls only provide definitive answers by the small samples being surveyed. The definitive answers to policy questions are provided by the actual national elections -- a divided government that 2/3 is controlled by the Republicans.