Van Lifer couple camping in Utah national park - two weeks later fiancee arrives in FL alone

[Anonymous]

This is a very sad story and I feel for the family and friends of Gabby. While the authorities may not have had a lot to go on to arrest BL. Why didn't they charge him for stealing the van, the van was Gabby's. this may have been mentioned already.... so many pages. Additionally, while these two youngsters were adults traveling across the country for 4 months one has to have some money saved up, to do this. Did the parents not have many details of this trip. So many loopholes, but one thing is certain one less life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will probably be trashed for this, but I wouldn’t vote to convict his parents for covering up for him. They had no role in her death.

If it were your son, what would you do. Honestly ask yourself that.

Make him be a man and own whatever he did. BL owes her family closure and to know what happened to their daughter. I’d walk with him to the police station to turn himself in. I’d also hire the best attorney I could to make sure he didn’t get the death penalty. Helping your child get away with murder is not what a parent should do.

Here is the parents role in her death: they raised a psychopath and they brought Gabby into their home and had her live with them because they hoped Gabby would solve their Brian problem- the guy has No friends, no job and no prospects- except her. The Laundrie's used her

Then, when their son murdered her they callously obstructed the rightful search for her. Doesn't anyone notice the pattern of deception Brian is displaying the parents also display- learned at home.

They raised a psycopath

100%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a very sad story and I feel for the family and friends of Gabby. While the authorities may not have had a lot to go on to arrest BL. Why didn't they charge him for stealing the van, the van was Gabby's. this may have been mentioned already.... so many pages. Additionally, while these two youngsters were adults traveling across the country for 4 months one has to have some money saved up, to do this. Did the parents not have many details of this trip. So many loopholes, but one thing is certain one less life

The question re: van has been answered by police. The van was common to both of them even though the title was in her name. She even admitted on camera she wasn’t the usual driver. So technically hers, but commonly driven by him.

[Anonymous]

Do they have a warrant for his arrest? If not, what are they going to do if/when they find him? They can’t make him give a statement and if they can’t arrest him, he has no motivation to talk at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will probably be trashed for this, but I wouldn’t vote to convict his parents for covering up for him. They had no role in her death.

If it were your son, what would you do. Honestly ask yourself that.

Make him be a man and own whatever he did. BL owes her family closure and to know what happened to their daughter. I’d walk with him to the police station to turn himself in. I’d also hire the best attorney I could to make sure he didn’t get the death penalty. Helping your child get away with murder is not what a parent should do.

Here is the parents role in her death: they raised a psychopath and they brought Gabby into their home and had her live with them because they hoped Gabby would solve their Brian problem- the guy has No friends, no job and no prospects- except her. The Laundrie's used her

Then, when their son murdered her they callously obstructed the rightful search for her. Doesn't anyone notice the pattern of deception Brian is displaying the parents also display- learned at home.

They raised a psycopath

First right now I don’t necessarily see that we have any information that would lead to them being convicted of anything. I guess it could go that way but it usually doesn’t in these cases. Most likely they will now submit to an interview with their attorney and do the minimum required to avoid obstruction charges. And unlike PPs I’m fairly unconvinced they had anything to do with BL’s trip back to FL or anything like that.

I talked earlier in here about extreme DV situation that honestly could have gone this way, but thankfully did not after an arduous journey and a lot of fear, close calls, escaping into another area of the country. In some cases these people manipulate their own families and they have a lifetime wealth of information on how to do it. Does that fully excuse the family, no, and statistically there are some factors like abuse and neglect that are more correlated with the development of these kind of personality traits. I honestly don’t know for sure every little thing that happened in my sibling’s abuser’s life, but I never got the sense their parents were the worst. I’m sure they could have done a better job educating their child in a way that is more highly correlated with developing pro social behavior, but that goes for a lot of parents. I know that they have other siblings that haven’t been accused of any DV.

There are some different risk factors and personality types for DV episodes. Some are more treatable with current “technology” than others. People who are highly manipulative are not very treatable, and typically will just use the information they glean from therapy sessions to better manipulate people. To be honest I’m not sure what would work with some of these narcissistic sociopathic personality types except maybe some sort of brain surgery that we don’t currently have. They will lie with no real purpose in mind just to see what they can get away or test the boundaries of how they can manipulate people.

There are definitely red flags but a lot of times the victim is in too deep pretty early on and that can go for their family too. These are the proverbial “wolf in sheep’s clothing” in many cases. Main reason is because most of us operate on the assumptions that people are more less interacting with the world the same way we are - that no one is perfect but most people are not trying to actively ruin other people’s lives every chance they get for no reason at all. People with highly narcissistic and sociopathic traits use all that to their advantage and kind of act as a puppet master in the lives of those surrounding them. I do think you can fall victim to these people easier than a lot of people think because once you start to catch on it’s hard to get your family member out. The lying and gaslighting is intense. They play people off each other. I have parents who could literally win awards they are such good parents, that have a healthy marriage and presumably never would have thought their child would almost be murdered by a maniac who walked into their lives.

I guess I’m not trying to be depressing and I HOPE this never happens to anyone here or their child. I truly, truly do. It’s so awful. But I do want to give the perspective maybe of Gabby’s family and that they were probably doing what they could but its not as straightforward as it might seem on the outside looking in. Even for the abuser family, they cut people off and then bring them back in as necessary.

[Anonymous]

To the poster who stated that Gabby’s parents should have pulled the plug on her relationship w/Brian, in theory that would have made things definitely worse.
A 22 yr. old woman who is madly “in love” w/a guy will be with the guy no matter what.
And if her parents had tried to interfere & try to get Gabby to break up with him, she likely would have just been even more determined to be w/him.
Plus it would have negatively affected their relationship w/their daughter which no parent ever wants.

Anyway interesting that today the coroner returned to where Gabby’s remains were recovered and spent the ENTIRE business day there.
Which I am assuming could mean the body could have been compromised by weather and/or animals or insects.
Or perhaps more evidence is needed in order to convict her killer.

So many mistakes were made in this case - it boggles my mind.
It is outrageous that during the August 12 police check, none of the officers seemed to know that a witness had reported seeing Brian hit Gabby.
And also that they allowed Gabby to drive off alone after 5PM in an area where she admittedly did not have anyone to stay with or call close by.
She was forced to drive a vehicle that she openly stated she rarely drove because she felt uncomfortable doing so.
And they let her take off to where she would likely spend the night alone in an area where she was not familiar with.
To let a young girl go off crying, scared and lost/alone makes zero sense.
They should have driven her to a hotel and let Brian take the van and camp out somewhere.

It is much more dangerous for a girl alone in the desert than a man.
Gender IS important here.
Even if the van was technically titled to Gabby - she surely would have verbally consented to allow Brian to drive it so that way he could not be accused of auto theft.

[Anonymous]

+1 ^^above

If a police officer’s duty is to protect and serve, they did the opposite on 8/12 in Moab.
To let an emotional, crying girl drive off in a desert to fend for herself for the night is neglectful.
Period.
To let a non-profit cover the cost of a hotel room for a Male over a Female in the middle of nowhere makes zero sense in my humble opinion.

Gabby had no idea where she was at or where she was going to park her van and sleep for the night.
And yet Brian was set up with his own space for the night.
He had access to a comfortable bed, hot water, privacy, security and likely a/c.
All because of some clueless police officials.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who stated that Gabby’s parents should have pulled the plug on her relationship w/Brian, in theory that would have made things definitely worse.
A 22 yr. old woman who is madly “in love” w/a guy will be with the guy no matter what.
And if her parents had tried to interfere & try to get Gabby to break up with him, she likely would have just been even more determined to be w/him.
Plus it would have negatively affected their relationship w/their daughter which no parent ever wants.

Anyway interesting that today the coroner returned to where Gabby’s remains were recovered and spent the ENTIRE business day there.
Which I am assuming could mean the body could have been compromised by weather and/or animals or insects.
Or perhaps more evidence is needed in order to convict her killer.

So many mistakes were made in this case - it boggles my mind.
It is outrageous that during the August 12 police check, none of the officers seemed to know that a witness had reported seeing Brian hit Gabby.
And also that they allowed Gabby to drive off alone after 5PM in an area where she admittedly did not have anyone to stay with or call close by.
She was forced to drive a vehicle that she openly stated she rarely drove because she felt uncomfortable doing so.
And they let her take off to where she would likely spend the night alone in an area where she was not familiar with.
To let a young girl go off crying, scared and lost/alone makes zero sense.
They should have driven her to a hotel and let Brian take the van and camp out somewhere.

It is much more dangerous for a girl alone in the desert than a man.
Gender IS important here.
Even if the van was technically titled to Gabby - she surely would have verbally consented to allow Brian to drive it so that way he could not be accused of auto theft.

No offense but your post blaming the officers makes no sense. She did not die the day she was forced to drive off by herself.

She died 13 days later after voluntarily getting back with her abuser.

Not the cops fault. A hotel room for her would have made no difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:To the poster who stated that Gabby’s parents should have pulled the plug on her relationship w/Brian, in theory that would have made things definitely worse.
A 22 yr. old woman who is madly “in love” w/a guy will be with the guy no matter what.
And if her parents had tried to interfere & try to get Gabby to break up with him, she likely would have just been even more determined to be w/him.
Plus it would have negatively affected their relationship w/their daughter which no parent ever wants.

Anyway interesting that today the coroner returned to where Gabby’s remains were recovered and spent the ENTIRE business day there.
Which I am assuming could mean the body could have been compromised by weather and/or animals or insects.
Or perhaps more evidence is needed in order to convict her killer.

So many mistakes were made in this case - it boggles my mind.
It is outrageous that during the August 12 police check, none of the officers seemed to know that a witness had reported seeing Brian hit Gabby.
And also that they allowed Gabby to drive off alone after 5PM in an area where she admittedly did not have anyone to stay with or call close by.
She was forced to drive a vehicle that she openly stated she rarely drove because she felt uncomfortable doing so.
And they let her take off to where she would likely spend the night alone in an area where she was not familiar with.
To let a young girl go off crying, scared and lost/alone makes zero sense.
They should have driven her to a hotel and let Brian take the van and camp out somewhere.

It is much more dangerous for a girl alone in the desert than a man.
Gender IS important here.
Even if the van was technically titled to Gabby - she surely would have verbally consented to allow Brian to drive it so that way he could not be accused of auto theft.

No offense but your post blaming the officers makes no sense. She did not die the day she was forced to drive off by herself.

She died 13 days later after voluntarily getting back with her abuser.

Not the cops fault. A hotel room for her would have made no difference.

But what could have made a difference is if they had accurate information on the other witness report of what occurrect at the Moonflower Co-Op.

[Anonymous]

Some of these replies are just crazy. A police officer is not a social worker. There’s no way they could have predicted what was going to happen weeks later. You are asking way too much “they shouldn’t have let her drive off by herself” You think a young woman is not capable of taking care of herself ON HER OWN PLANNED VACATION for one night?? That’s a very demeaning and paternalistic POV, IMO.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:killers like him don't kill b/c they are crazy. They kill b/c they are just men not getting what they want.

I think he killed her because she was thinking of breaking up with him. I don't think he would've killed her for being pregnant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I will probably be trashed for this, but I wouldn’t vote to convict his parents for covering up for him. They had no role in her death.

If it were your son, what would you do. Honestly ask yourself that.

Make him be a man and own whatever he did. BL owes her family closure and to know what happened to their daughter. I’d walk with him to the police station to turn himself in. I’d also hire the best attorney I could to make sure he didn’t get the death penalty. Helping your child get away with murder is not what a parent should do.

Here is the parents role in her death: they raised a psychopath and they brought Gabby into their home and had her live with them because they hoped Gabby would solve their Brian problem- the guy has No friends, no job and no prospects- except her. The Laundrie's used her

Then, when their son murdered her they callously obstructed the rightful search for her. Doesn't anyone notice the pattern of deception Brian is displaying the parents also display- learned at home.

They raised a psycopath

You are reaching...you have no idea what the parents decision making was around allowing Gabby into the home. Nor do you know how much info they have or don't have. The parents have remained silent which almost any lawyer worth their salt would tell you to do. It isn't the most compassionate thing to do but it is often the most prudent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some of these replies are just crazy. A police officer is not a social worker. There’s no way they could have predicted what was going to happen weeks later. You are asking way too much “they shouldn’t have let her drive off by herself” You think a young woman is not capable of taking care of herself ON HER OWN PLANNED VACATION for one night?? That’s a very demeaning and paternalistic POV, IMO.

OMG - thank you. There is only so much a police officer can do. They gave her ample time to get help but they can't force her to ask for it. I understand...the abuser/victim issue, but these police officers are not going to solve this in a 90 minute traffic stop.

She did not deserve to die. Period. Full stop. However, the world cannot intervene in other people's relationships that appear abusive or are emotional and pull the women out and save them. It doesn't work that way. If her loved ones didn't do it, a stranger is not going to.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This guy is 23 years old and on the run...how far can he really go? He doesn't seem smart or mature enough to be on his own and running from the police. I hope his parents get what is coming to them.

What do you mean? This is the best time to run respectively. He’s in the best physical shape of his life, he could take sketchy physical labor jobs to stay off the grid, he has no ties to a specific community, his parents most likely gave him money, he had a headstart of 13 days post-crime to plan and run, hes experienced with living in rough terrain and his DNA isn’t in the system.

The only thing better would be military/sniper training.

You realize being on the run from the police is not really about being able to literally RUN, right?

He’s not really running now is he? He’s got to his safe zone because he had 13 days before a missing persons report was filed and another five-ish before the police even realized he was missing. They thought he was in that f**king house.

Now he just has to lie low in a rural area and not be seen by cameras or anyone who could recognize him from the internet or LEOs. Easier to do in South America.

Brian's still free. Seems smart enough to me. I hope the parents rot in hell for aiding and abetting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:+1 ^^above

If a police officer’s duty is to protect and serve, they did the opposite on 8/12 in Moab.
To let an emotional, crying girl drive off in a desert to fend for herself for the night is neglectful.
Period.
To let a non-profit cover the cost of a hotel room for a Male over a Female in the middle of nowhere makes zero sense in my humble opinion.

Gabby had no idea where she was at or where she was going to park her van and sleep for the night.
And yet Brian was set up with his own space for the night.
He had access to a comfortable bed, hot water, privacy, security and likely a/c.
All because of some clueless police officials.

Gabby - as an adult, chose to buy a van, redo the van, drive the van 3000 miles to the west coast, quit her life and take on the "van life." She should have been capable of living one day in the van alone. She wasn't 12 and kidnapped.