VA Revolution has purchased Evergreen Sportsplex

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of HS turf field in Loudoun now and many club teams use for practices. Seems like a new HS is built every other year in our county. Also Hanson park is coming …
https://www.loudoun.gov/2652/Hal-Berni-Hanson-Regional-Park

Yup, and for profit clubs like FCV and Barca will never have priority for those fields.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

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loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of HS turf field in Loudoun now and many club teams use for practices. Seems like a new HS is built every other year in our county. Also Hanson park is coming …
https://www.loudoun.gov/2652/Hal-Berni-Hanson-Regional-Park

Yup, and for profit clubs like FCV and Barca will never have priority for those fields.

If FCV really though evergreen was make or break, how did a new club with no resources manage to outbid them? To me that means 1 of 2 things, FCV and BARCA don't view evergreen as that important or necessary or Revolution vastly overpaid and will be crushed by the debt load. Having seen other clubs' 990s (revolution doesn't have any publicly available through the IRS), I don't think thank any but a hand full of clubs would have the assets to purchase a facility that expensive and certainly none of the smaller clubs

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of HS turf field in Loudoun now and many club teams use for practices. Seems like a new HS is built every other year in our county. Also Hanson park is coming …
https://www.loudoun.gov/2652/Hal-Berni-Hanson-Regional-Park

Yup, and for profit clubs like FCV and Barca will never have priority for those fields.

If FCV really though evergreen was make or break, how did a new club with no resources manage to outbid them? To me that means 1 of 2 things, FCV and BARCA don't view evergreen as that important or necessary or Revolution vastly overpaid and will be crushed by the debt load. Having seen other clubs' 990s (revolution doesn't have any publicly available through the IRS), I don't think thank any but a hand full of clubs would have the assets to purchase a facility that expensive and certainly none of the smaller clubs

The St. James owns FCV so who knows what their long terms plans are but owning a soccer complex in Loudoun County likely doesn't bring people into their $50 million dollar gym.

The company that owns Barca likely isn't as interested in buying a soccer complex as they are in selling trips to Spain.

Bottom line we don't know their motivations or financial situation what we do know is Evergreen was the only field either could consistently reserve because of their Profit status.

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of HS turf field in Loudoun now and many club teams use for practices. Seems like a new HS is built every other year in our county. Also Hanson park is coming …
https://www.loudoun.gov/2652/Hal-Berni-Hanson-Regional-Park

Yup, and for profit clubs like FCV and Barca will never have priority for those fields.

If FCV really though evergreen was make or break, how did a new club with no resources manage to outbid them? To me that means 1 of 2 things, FCV and BARCA don't view evergreen as that important or necessary or Revolution vastly overpaid and will be crushed by the debt load. Having seen other clubs' 990s (revolution doesn't have any publicly available through the IRS), I don't think thank any but a hand full of clubs would have the assets to purchase a facility that expensive and certainly none of the smaller clubs

Do you really believe FCV sought out a partnership with Villarreal because they are so aligned soccer wise? They knew of the sale and they needed a partner club with fields.

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Anonymous wrote:There are lots of HS turf field in Loudoun now and many club teams use for practices. Seems like a new HS is built every other year in our county. Also Hanson park is coming …
https://www.loudoun.gov/2652/Hal-Berni-Hanson-Regional-Park

Yup, and for profit clubs like FCV and Barca will never have priority for those fields.

If FCV really though evergreen was make or break, how did a new club with no resources manage to outbid them? To me that means 1 of 2 things, FCV and BARCA don't view evergreen as that important or necessary or Revolution vastly overpaid and will be crushed by the debt load. Having seen other clubs' 990s (revolution doesn't have any publicly available through the IRS), I don't think thank any but a hand full of clubs would have the assets to purchase a facility that expensive and certainly none of the smaller clubs

Do you really believe FCV sought out a partnership with Villarreal because they are so aligned soccer wise? They knew of the sale and they needed a partner club with fields.

It was Revolution parents that bought evergreen. It wasn’t the club itself.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

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In terms of Nova soccer, just how low is revolution? They seems equivalent to South County but with a nice complex

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

The key phrase a PP said was "within 5 years." Are they ready today? Absolutely not. Could they be in 5 years? Absolutely. Pipeline is just 10 years old and they are now in ECNL. I wouldn't bet against Revolution, especially after kicking two competing clubs to the curb.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

The key phrase a PP said was "within 5 years." Are they ready today? Absolutely not. Could they be in 5 years? Absolutely. Pipeline is just 10 years old and they are now in ECNL. I wouldn't bet against Revolution, especially after kicking two competing clubs to the curb.

They haven't kicked anyone to the curb. TSJFCV will still be better than Revolution will be in 5 years! You're delusional if you think otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

The key phrase a PP said was "within 5 years." Are they ready today? Absolutely not. Could they be in 5 years? Absolutely. Pipeline is just 10 years old and they are now in ECNL. I wouldn't bet against Revolution, especially after kicking two competing clubs to the curb.

sure, and that pipeline isn't particularly outstanding- if ECNL wants to expand, are those kids better than PWSI or Herndon or SYA or Great Falls Reston or Vienna... None of those clubs belong in ECNL, but all field teams more competitive than revolution. Those kids are really talented will probably leave for clubs already in the leagues they want to join- that's what happens to every smaller club. There are plenty of options around, there is no reason to stick with a club in the hope that someday they will be in the league your kid wants to play in

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I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

Realistically, they’re at least 5-7 years away from having a chance of getting into ECNL. And even then, I would say that’s probably the “best case scenario”. Continuing to grow the younger player base, hiring more good coaches and continuing to educate the existing coaches will be key for them, I think. Certainly having a nice facility like Evergreen will help with certain aspects of that.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

+1

loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

The key phrase a PP said was "within 5 years." Are they ready today? Absolutely not. Could they be in 5 years? Absolutely. Pipeline is just 10 years old and they are now in ECNL. I wouldn't bet against Revolution, especially after kicking two competing clubs to the curb.

They haven't kicked anyone to the curb. TSJFCV will still be better than Revolution will be in 5 years! You're delusional if you think otherwise.

A GA club having to move and establish itself with a new player pool at a mediocre club surrounded by ECNL clubs, yeah sure.

GA might not even be around in 5 years much less FCV. ANd how much longer will TSJ continue branding "FCV"? In a couple years the name will be converted and any cache the letters FCV will be lost with it.