VA Revolution has purchased Evergreen Sportsplex

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Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

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Anonymous wrote:Absolutely shocked that it's only valued at 4-5 million.

I saw that comment from a previous poster and that person is living in fantasy land. A regulation sized turf field with lighting is in the $1.7 - $2.0m range. That’s *one* field. You do the math.

Yeah, that sounds much more on point. Not to mention parking facilities and the stands and food/beverage facilities.

it all requires upkeep. The question is how much revenue does it really generate vs just a regular field with lights

Irrigation and irrigation maintenance, constant mowing, fall and spring treatments, line painting, fragile in weather.

which is nice if you compare it to grass, but what about turf fields without the grandstand?

What about them? Not sure what you are asking.

They have a lot to maintain vs. just a turf field with lights. The question is whether they will be able to generate enough income to maintain the property plus service the debt that they took on to buy it. They aren't exactly a huge club

There’s no debt to the new owners. And it’s hard to be HUGE when you were founded 3 years ago and your neighbors have been around since the late 70’s.

However, it is noteworthy to observe they’ve gone from one 1 team in Fall 2018 to fielding 30 or so in Fall 2021. NCSL and EDP are their current leagues. They have a partnership with GA for their most talented female players and one male player has already signed with DC United.

Gotta give credit to them. Who’s to know what they’ll look like in another 3 years? They’ve effectively kicked out those other clubs from their complex so I doubt they’ll stop growing.

They do seem to be squeezing out FCV other than top girls GA teams. I am sure they will also get Loudoun players not on the ECNL or Red teams. As far as LFC, ODFC, a bit of Sterling and maybe a bit of SWA they could / are taking from them as well it would seem. Plenty of room for two larger soccer clubs in Loudoun (LS and VAR) with FCV still serving the narrow boutique top notch girls market. Youth soccer clubs don’t need to be competitive from a business perspective. They can coexist. The real goal is to teach the game and help build healthy and confident young men and women, and for a limited number create avenues and opportunities to play in college or in the rare instance, beyond.

FCV is done in Loudoun beyond the United teams and the United teams will likely collapse if GA moves to Springfield. Nothing is stopping VA Revolution from using County fields as well if they expand their rec program. What you are seeing here is a full on war with Loudoun Soccer. Revolution can grow because they have field certainty that Loudoun can no longer influence. If they grow then they can be on level footing for county field space with Loudoun soccer.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Revolution in ECNL within 5 years from now. They are going to be a huge thorn in Loudoun Soccer's side.

Because of purchasing a sports complex? How does your thought processing reach such ludicrous conclusion?

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loudoun didn't have influence on revolutions usage of evergreen in the first place

revolution having 4 fields will now be used against them when it comes to access to county fields, look it up

if you think they have a better chance at ecnl than fcv did, i too have a sports complex for sale that i'd like to discuss with you

Naive. PP is right with taking over ECNL. That’ll be the thorn they’re talking about…

Might be sooner. I believe no brand, including ECNL, wants to have their name tarnished with mediocre organizations and ethically questionable directing teams. The underperformance is the elephant in the room…

Sure. I bet ECNL is actively searching for new clubs, with zero track record of success, whose talent level equates roughly with the 4th team of a neighboring, existing ECNL club. That's the horse ECNL will bet on. Give me a break.

Loudoun doesn't have to lose ECNL for Revolution to gain ECNL.

Loudoun is simply the right director away from being a absolute monster with their player pool. Revolution seems to be building and growing in the right direction. Both clubs own their own facilities surrounded by great county facilities which can benefit ECNL greatly with showcases.

10 minutes form a Dulles Airport is also a huge plus.

I can think of a dozen clubs in NOVA better positioned for ECNL than Revolution. None of their teams are particilularly good and they have no track record

The key phrase a PP said was "within 5 years." Are they ready today? Absolutely not. Could they be in 5 years? Absolutely. Pipeline is just 10 years old and they are now in ECNL. I wouldn't bet against Revolution, especially after kicking two competing clubs to the curb.

sure, and that pipeline isn't particularly outstanding- if ECNL wants to expand, are those kids better than PWSI or Herndon or SYA or Great Falls Reston or Vienna... None of those clubs belong in ECNL, but all field teams more competitive than revolution. Those kids are really talented will probably leave for clubs already in the leagues they want to join- that's what happens to every smaller club. There are plenty of options around, there is no reason to stick with a club in the hope that someday they will be in the league your kid wants to play in

There is always the element of "if you build it they will come". Revolution is growing its player pool numbers. They have removed two competing clubs and can now grow their player pool numbers even more.

They own their own facility.

They can demonstrate more potential to ECNL than Vienna, Great Falls or any of the other clubs you mention. If your Loudoun kid is going to join travel soccer next year Barca and FCV are now likely off the table. That leaves Loudoun and Revolution as the two biggest Loudoun based clubs. And if PARENTS purchased Evergreen for the club, the facilities their kids play at matter to Loudoun families.

Lets look at the list of clubs FCV has been affiliated/merged with and you tell me how long Villarreal will last:
SYA
CYA
Ashburn
South County
Annandale
Loudoun
Villarreal

Now lets look at the leagues:
ECNL/NPL
DA
Kicked out of NPL
GA

Their best and longest stretch was Ashburn and that was primarily because they had Evergreen as a consistent location. They were able to expand until they lost their boys program to Revolution. Their numbers have dwindled since DA/GA. They have no rec program to speak of anymore and now there is uncertainty moving forward.

Rising U9 U10 kids will simply choose Loudoun or Revolution now. FCV GA teams will slowly bleed out after this year.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

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ok, lets look at revolution. Small club with a nice facility that has no stand out teams. I'm sure ECNL will be all over that.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

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Anonymous wrote:ok, lets look at revolution. Small club with a nice facility that has no stand out teams. I'm sure ECNL will be all over that.

Ok, lets look at Revolution in 5 years. Nobody said they should be granted ECNL this year. All anyone is saying is that by owning their own facility and eliminating direct player competition in the process they have tremendous potential in the coming years in a county that is still growing in size.

They are putting many of the necessary ingredients in the dish but it will take time to cook.

They will grow their player pool and their teams will improve over time.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

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Why would Virginia Revolution have more ECNL potential than the numerous other clubs that also have turf fields? I know its a big upgrade to go from grass to turf fields, but most of the clubs in this area have turf fields.

This pro-Revolution enthusiasm is reminding me of the FCBEscola NOVA (Barca Academy Northern Virginia) thread from several years back where there were a couple passionate parents/coaches that went on and on about how they were going to change soccer completely and be the dominate club in a few years. Years later, crickets.

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would Virginia Revolution have more ECNL potential than the numerous other clubs that also have turf fields? I know its a big upgrade to go from grass to turf fields, but most of the clubs in this area have turf fields.

This pro-Revolution enthusiasm is reminding me of the FCBEscola NOVA (Barca Academy Northern Virginia) thread from several years back where there were a couple passionate parents/coaches that went on and on about how they were going to change soccer completely and be the dominate club in a few years. Years later, crickets.

its the PPA hype but with less basis and more delusion

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sorry FPYC hype

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stages, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian,

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stage)s, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian, lost to the winners (beach fc) in the state cup. Not the greatest team but they're developing which is what youth soccer is about

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stages, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian,

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stage)s, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian, lost to the winners (beach fc) in the state cup. Not the greatest team but they're developing which is what youth soccer is about

http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/_element_display/#%2F80738%2Fteams%2F99930870%2F96392494-99931013%2FTEAM.html%3Frnd%3D1629908047645

look at the other teams in the division, it's big clubs 3rd teams. At U14, there are very few good teams that still play NCSL. It seems like they are properly placed and win secondary tournaments. That's great, but a few tiers below ECNL

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Anonymous wrote:Sheesh, even Stafford is a significant level better than revolution. It will take a good 5-10 years for them to become anyone unless they start hiring coaches with experience and local reputations. But they would be taking a risk by coaching there so I don't expect that to happen. Experienced coaches don't go just for the money, they go where there is a strong player base to support competitive teams. And Virginia revolution doesn't have that right now.

If they were smart, they would invest heavily in u9-u12 and the younger ages. And hire some really good coaches to coach the academy and younger 6-7-8-year-olds. Until they do that all their teams are pretty mediocre product and not attractive for experience coaches to work with

They just eliminated competition for younger players.

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stages, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian,

they are one of a ton of small clubs in the broad area- Leesburg and Dulles are similarly sized and positioned. Loudon is a behemoth and will do fine. There are larger clubs further away that will draw some talent. FCV may or may not pull up stakes in the area, but that doesn't mean revolution will suddenly rival McLean

Revolution is larger than Leesburg FC (are they still around?), Sterling and Dulles FC combined.

ok? they play in the same leagues which revolution isn't exactly dominating. Does revolution even have 1 stand out team?

their 07 girls last year won ncsl div 3 and div 1 undefeated in the fall and spring, they won the nvsc battlefield tournament(not very competitive), they barely lost to the npl league winner in the npl state cup in over time, finalists at the nvsc hunt country classic(pretty sure it was a forfeit since they beat the team they played against 6-1 in the group stage)s, won the ultimate cup div 2, won div 1 at the virginian, lost to the winners (beach fc) in the state cup. Not the greatest team but they're developing which is what youth soccer is about

http://www.ncsl-soccer.com/_element_display/#%2F80738%2Fteams%2F99930870%2F96392494-99931013%2FTEAM.html%3Frnd%3D1629908047645

look at the other teams in the division, it's big clubs 3rd teams. At U14, there are very few good teams that still play NCSL. It seems like they are properly placed and win secondary tournaments. That's great, but a few tiers below ECNL

I'm sorry but no one ever said they were at the ecnl level that would be crazy. They said that they have no stand out teams I never said they were standing out for the ecnl level I'm saying usys edp and ccl national league or even encl regional. But a team that new in ecnl would be crazy you have to give it time

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I honestly at this moment think the club has tons of potential they have a pretty good coaching staff along with now field space which is something most clubs have trouble with. They have alot of work to do if they want to get an ecnl team. They need to begin by investing in the younger players and also in their rec program to then have a larger player pool. From then find a more Competitive League although ncsl is a pretty good league it still not top tier even if it's just ecnl rl thats fine. But right now edp and ncsl is fine for the level they play at. beginning as an independent club with one team in odsl then working with a few other clubs it became VA revolution now they play in ncsl and edp with almost 30 teams. Like I said before give it time and it will come