MN Police Shoot and Kill Daunte Wright

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, more people here to say "it's not a race thing." How many times do you need to say "it's not a race thing" before you realize (or acknowledge) that it is?

“Racism” made her grab the wrong weapon? Srsly? This was an accident, it’s tragic, but it could have happened to anybody.

It could have happened to anyone, but gosh golly, it's so weird that it happens disproportionately more to Black people and in line with reported police violence against them. Such a strange coincidence. But definitely not racism by my super narrow definition that absolves the police of anything other than saying "I'm shooting this man because he is Black". Yeah we're not racist in America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

This is why it's not myopically about one case. It's about a system.

This doesn't happen to white people in rich neighborhoods. Not because they commit less crime. But because they aren't seen as unworthy of life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, more people here to say "it's not a race thing." How many times do you need to say "it's not a race thing" before you realize (or acknowledge) that it is?

“Racism” made her grab the wrong weapon? Srsly? This was an accident, it’s tragic, but it could have happened to anybody.

It could have happened to anyone, but gosh golly, it's so weird that it happens disproportionately more to Black people and in line with reported police violence against them. Such a strange coincidence. But definitely not racism by my super narrow definition that absolves the police of anything other than saying "I'm shooting this man because he is Black". Yeah we're not racist in America.

Honest question: have there been any attempts to track outcomes from comparable encounters with police? That is, when you look at situations where a white suspect as attempting to flee from an arrest, how much different are the outcomes than when a black suspect flees from police?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.

Yes I think that could happen if she fought her firing (which has not happened yet). That other case was a murder case and there was no evidence to support going for the taser except the cops statement. Indeed cop said that Grant had a gun which makes going for the taser wrong. No such facts here. Not really similar.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.

Yes I think that could happen if she fought her firing (which has not happened yet). That other case was a murder case and there was no evidence to support going for the taser except the cops statement. Indeed cop said that Grant had a gun which makes going for the taser wrong. No such facts here. Not really similar.

To be clear --- she will not be back. City would make a deal to undue firing and let her retire with of course back pay. If I am wrong and she is charged and convicted this will not happen but otherwise yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Look, it’s obvious and simple what happened now that the video is out:

She grabbed her sidearm instead of her Tazer. A single shot was accidentally deployed.

This was simply a tragic accident, that’s all.

No racism, no intent. Just let this one go.

Easy for you to say. You’re not the one dead.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.

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Great explanation. Too bad this thread is full of justice warriors compulsively trying to make every situation about race.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh, more people here to say "it's not a race thing." How many times do you need to say "it's not a race thing" before you realize (or acknowledge) that it is?

“Racism” made her grab the wrong weapon? Srsly? This was an accident, it’s tragic, but it could have happened to anybody.

It could have happened to anyone, but gosh golly, it's so weird that it happens disproportionately more to Black people and in line with reported police violence against them. Such a strange coincidence. But definitely not racism by my super narrow definition that absolves the police of anything other than saying "I'm shooting this man because he is Black". Yeah we're not racist in America.

Honest question: have there been any attempts to track outcomes from comparable encounters with police? That is, when you look at situations where a white suspect as attempting to flee from an arrest, how much different are the outcomes than when a black suspect flees from police?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.

+1
Great explanation. Too bad this thread is full of justice warriors compulsively trying to make every situation about race.

+2

Agree - great analysis.

Also agree that all the “social justice warriors” do not care about justice. They only care about their own virtue-signaling and assuaging their own perceived guilt / trauma for whatever reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

Thx for weighing in, always nice to get knowledgeable opinions.

Cop who investigates police shootings here.

It was a mistake, she did not “intend” to shoot him. But she did not follow police procedures (keep tazer on opposite side of body) and her neglect caused a death. Procedures are in place so these things don’t happen.

That is a crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.

The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.

I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.

Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.

I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.

There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: This is horrible we all know this.

The officer involved is a 26 year veteran. One would think she would know the difference between her taser and her gun. A gun weighs more. It would have felt very different to her even in the heat of the moment.

I highly doubt the officer woke up this morning deciding to kill someone. She needed better training and this is negligent manslaughter. A "senior" member of the department should know the difference between a gun and a taser.

Whatever this man did prior to getting killed is not the issue. Anyone who thinks so is wrong.

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Second degree manslaughter in Minnesota still requires a conscious decision to take an unreasonable risk. What was that conscious decision? You seem to agree that the video suggests she thought she pulled out her taser.

I'm sure the officer can tell the difference between a taser and a gun. But any time you're put in a stressful and potentially dangerous situation, there's going to be a risk of making a mistake. That's what seemed to happen here. That doesn't make it OK. But it doesn't necessarily make her criminally responsible for a homicide, either.

There is enough for you probable cause. I’d like to see her arrested and forced to go through the process at the very least.

There is no basis for that. None.

And it would be completely sexist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lawyer here who used to go after bad cops. Video is clear and is why bodycam video is needed. This was a mistake. She says taser, taser taser and fires a single pull. If she was shooting him a single pull is unlikely. If she meant to shoot him and cover it up most would yell gun not taser, taser, taser. The other officers are not clear for a gunshot either. Also the context is a guy slipping out of handcuffs and there is an ongoing battle. There is no crime committed by the officer. Negligent homicide requires a level of intent that is not really negligent despite the name. I will go further and say they may not be able to legally fire her. I think they will. Mayor is already calling for it but she will get the job back with back pay. People may not like that but it is what I see.

You get your job back after a lethal mistake? The cop who killed Oscar Grant served time.

NP. This killer cop needs to be prosecuted and spend at least a few years behind bars. She definitely should never work as a police officer ever again given her gross lack of self-control and judgement.