The Last Skywalker— with Spoilers

[Anonymous]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I actually preferred The Last Jedi to the Rise of Skywalker, for several reasons. Rian Johnson took the series in a very "non-Disney" direction with TLJ - he challenged beliefs and expectations for how this series is supposed to play out. Disney didn't like it, which is why JJ came back for the third one.

I particularly hate that JJ Abrams changed the story of Rey's lineage. What made her special was that she wasn't special - she didn't need to be a descendant of some quasi-incestuous, highly exclusive lineage (the Skywalkers, Kenobis, Palpatines, etc.) in order to have the power of the force. As Luke taught her on the island, the force isn't some "superpower" - it is an ever present and constantly evolving force in the world around it, keeping harmony. It isn't some gift that only select families might possess. A scavenger from Jakku could be force-sensitive just like the grandson of Anakin Skywalker could. JJ Abrams undid this unique perspective on the Force by making Rey a Palpatine, thus minimizing the magnitude of her gifts and suggesting that she is only of any sort of value because of her grandfather. He took the one truly unique aspect of the sequel trilogy and made episodes 7-9 essentially rehashes of both the prequels and the original trilogy.

Truly, they messed up with the directing situation. JJ Abrams should've directed all 3, or he shouldn't have come back for the last one. He seemed to have no true interest in maintaining any sort of continuity with the creative liberties that Johnson took in TLJ, making the entire sequel trilogy feel disjointed and messy. Had they made a plan for how this story would play out from the beginning, these movies could have lived up to their true potential.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I actually preferred The Last Jedi to the Rise of Skywalker, for several reasons. Rian Johnson took the series in a very "non-Disney" direction with TLJ - he challenged beliefs and expectations for how this series is supposed to play out. Disney didn't like it, which is why JJ came back for the third one.

I particularly hate that JJ Abrams changed the story of Rey's lineage. What made her special was that she wasn't special - she didn't need to be a descendant of some quasi-incestuous, highly exclusive lineage (the Skywalkers, Kenobis, Palpatines, etc.) in order to have the power of the force. As Luke taught her on the island, the force isn't some "superpower" - it is an ever present and constantly evolving force in the world around it, keeping harmony. It isn't some gift that only select families might possess. A scavenger from Jakku could be force-sensitive just like the grandson of Anakin Skywalker could. JJ Abrams undid this unique perspective on the Force by making Rey a Palpatine, thus minimizing the magnitude of her gifts and suggesting that she is only of any sort of value because of her grandfather. He took the one truly unique aspect of the sequel trilogy and made episodes 7-9 essentially rehashes of both the prequels and the original trilogy.

Truly, they messed up with the directing situation. JJ Abrams should've directed all 3, or he shouldn't have come back for the last one. He seemed to have no true interest in maintaining any sort of continuity with the creative liberties that Johnson took in TLJ, making the entire sequel trilogy feel disjointed and messy. Had they made a plan for how this story would play out from the beginning, these movies could have lived up to their true potential.

Is your only evidence that she wasn’t special that Kylo said it? Why are we assuming he had any idea what he was talking about or that he was telling the truth?!

[Anonymous]

Also, Rey ended up subverting what EVERY OTHER Force character has done and bucked her lineage to save the day. Kylo sort of turned good at the end but did little with it.

Rey showed that, to win, you have to show individuality and that you are more than your bloodline (as Luke said). Luke tried to do it (rebelled against his father) but ultimately couldn’t beat Palpatine. Rey finally did it.

That can’t be overstated as a major divergence from the originals.

[Anonymous]

I suspect J.J. may have planned Palpatine all along, in TLJ. J.J. was not in charge of TLJ or even TROS until later in the process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I suspect J.J. may have planned Palpatine all along, in TLJ. J.J. was not in charge of TLJ or even TROS until later in the process.

Kathleen Kennedy said that had been the plan. Of course I know people here are saying she’s lying, but I’m fairly sure JJ Abrams was planning on it.

Listen: Palpatine is the most consistent villain throughout the entire series. I’d agree with you all about it being random if he wasn’t all over the prequels, setting everything up. He’s the most obvious choice for who you have to defeat to finally bring an end to what was really the Skywalker vs Palpatine battle.

Far from it being illogical, it makes perfect sense.

Also, he didn’t come back as alive until he took the life force from Kylo and Rey. He was a ghost, like many other ghosts in Star Wars.

Lastly, why are we assuming Kylo knew what he was talking about when he told Rey she was nothing? I really don’t get why people think that was the gospel truth. It’s so weird to me.

[Anonymous]

Siths have been reviving their spirits all over the comic books and other non-canon material.

That’s all Palpatine did. Doesn’t mean he was actually alive. That’s why he needed Kylo and Rey’s life forces.

You all need to learn more about the SW expanded universe to understand why this all makes sense.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if Kennedy is here trolling and defending herself? Or don't know, actress that plays Rey? Here is the thing for life long fans. We watched the New Hope so many times, over and over, we love it so much. Same for the Empire and the Return of the Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens, fully ready to be into it and love it with all I've got... I was bored. Movie was just something I saw before, so many times. I wanted to walk out, I knew Kylo was going to kill Han, there was a bridge, there was an orphan on the desert planet. There was the Millennium Falcon. I can understand why many younger people like it, they are not burdened with having watched the New Hope and rest so many times. And Palpatine is back, and death stars, and some new never seen force powers that nullifying anything that ever happened before. But, if you are watching it without knowing every single detail that came before, you probably like it. It is exactly the same stuff we all fell for before, there is clearly appeal in it. Something new was too risky for Disney when they had a template that works.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Kennedy is here trolling and defending herself? Or don't know, actress that plays Rey? Here is the thing for life long fans. We watched the New Hope so many times, over and over, we love it so much. Same for the Empire and the Return of the Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens, fully ready to be into it and love it with all I've got... I was bored. Movie was just something I saw before, so many times. I wanted to walk out, I knew Kylo was going to kill Han, there was a bridge, there was an orphan on the desert planet. There was the Millennium Falcon. I can understand why many younger people like it, they are not burdened with having watched the New Hope and rest so many times. And Palpatine is back, and death stars, and some new never seen force powers that nullifying anything that ever happened before. But, if you are watching it without knowing every single detail that came before, you probably like it. It is exactly the same stuff we all fell for before, there is clearly appeal in it. Something new was too risky for Disney when they had a template that works.

LOOOL

You think they’re on DCUM??! That in itself is so illogical that I can’t take anything else that you’re saying seriously.

I saw all the originals a million times too and loved them.

New force powers nullifying everything else??! Are you that naive as to think the originals showed us EVERYTHING the force can do? That’s idiotic.

[Anonymous]

Tell me something real that you think “nullified” things; not the fact that apparently the force is actually mysterious— no one has ever said that before, right?!

Everything that happened is logical if you know not only the canon trilogies but also the expanded universe.

If you really loved this franchise you’d understand that the force is expansive and can do things you wouldn’t have seen in the originals. You seriously missed something if you think otherwise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Tell me something real that you think “nullified” things; not the fact that apparently the force is actually mysterious— no one has ever said that before, right?!

Everything that happened is logical if you know not only the canon trilogies but also the expanded universe.

If you really loved this franchise you’d understand that the force is expansive and can do things you wouldn’t have seen in the originals. You seriously missed something if you think otherwise.

OK. Clearly you are off your rocker or need a refill of your meds. Nobody that has a real life and is not earning their living on youtube dissecting SW would go on a rant like this. You need help and you need a life. Peace out, basement dweller.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Tell me something real that you think “nullified” things; not the fact that apparently the force is actually mysterious— no one has ever said that before, right?!

Everything that happened is logical if you know not only the canon trilogies but also the expanded universe.

If you really loved this franchise you’d understand that the force is expansive and can do things you wouldn’t have seen in the originals. You seriously missed something if you think otherwise.

OK. Clearly you are off your rocker or need a refill of your meds. Nobody that has a real life and is not earning their living on youtube dissecting SW would go on a rant like this. You need help and you need a life. Peace out, basement dweller.

Huh? I’m not the one claiming Kathleen Kennedy is on this board. Talk about unhinged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Kennedy is here trolling and defending herself? Or don't know, actress that plays Rey? Here is the thing for life long fans. We watched the New Hope so many times, over and over, we love it so much. Same for the Empire and the Return of the Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens, fully ready to be into it and love it with all I've got... I was bored. Movie was just something I saw before, so many times. I wanted to walk out, I knew Kylo was going to kill Han, there was a bridge, there was an orphan on the desert planet. There was the Millennium Falcon. I can understand why many younger people like it, they are not burdened with having watched the New Hope and rest so many times. And Palpatine is back, and death stars, and some new never seen force powers that nullifying anything that ever happened before. But, if you are watching it without knowing every single detail that came before, you probably like it. It is exactly the same stuff we all fell for before, there is clearly appeal in it. Something new was too risky for Disney when they had a template that works.

Not for me, I am Gen X. I saw 4-6 live in the theaters when originally released. I have seen 4-6 countless times. I generally like 7-9 (8 less than 7 and 9). I thought they built on the existing universe well, and I liked most of the characters. I think 7 and maybe 9 were better than 6, actually, but nowhere near as good as 4 and 5.

I also saw 1-3 live in the theaters. I am glad Disney took over because 1-3 were hideous. To give you a sense of my level of fandom, I went to a launch party for Episode 1, dressed up for the premiere at midnight, and went to cons. Yet I nearly walked out of Episode 1 before it finished, it was so, so bad. 2 and 3 were marginal improvements, but still awful.

For context, I liked RO, disliked Solo, and really liked CW.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Kennedy is here trolling and defending herself? Or don't know, actress that plays Rey? Here is the thing for life long fans. We watched the New Hope so many times, over and over, we love it so much. Same for the Empire and the Return of the Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens, fully ready to be into it and love it with all I've got... I was bored. Movie was just something I saw before, so many times. I wanted to walk out, I knew Kylo was going to kill Han, there was a bridge, there was an orphan on the desert planet. There was the Millennium Falcon. I can understand why many younger people like it, they are not burdened with having watched the New Hope and rest so many times. And Palpatine is back, and death stars, and some new never seen force powers that nullifying anything that ever happened before. But, if you are watching it without knowing every single detail that came before, you probably like it. It is exactly the same stuff we all fell for before, there is clearly appeal in it. Something new was too risky for Disney when they had a template that works.

Not for me, I am Gen X. I saw 4-6 live in the theaters when originally released. I have seen 4-6 countless times. I generally like 7-9 (8 less than 7 and 9). I thought they built on the existing universe well, and I liked most of the characters. I think 7 and maybe 9 were better than 6, actually, but nowhere near as good as 4 and 5.

I also saw 1-3 live in the theaters. I am glad Disney took over because 1-3 were hideous. To give you a sense of my level of fandom, I went to a launch party for Episode 1, dressed up for the premiere at midnight, and went to cons. Yet I nearly walked out of Episode 1 before it finished, it was so, so bad. 2 and 3 were marginal improvements, but still awful.

For context, I liked RO, disliked Solo, and really liked CW.

I’m the one they’re calling “unhinged.” I was born in 86 and my introduction to Star Wars was the special editions. I was ecstatic to see them in the theatre. I then got into the books, dressed up as Luke too many times to count, played X wing with my friends on the playground, etc. I love 4-6 the most obviously, but also think 9 did an excellent job summing up the saga with some thoughtful updates to the cast and capabilities of the characters. The prequels are generally terrible, but from a plot point of view revenge of the Sith sets up a new hope well.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if Kennedy is here trolling and defending herself? Or don't know, actress that plays Rey? Here is the thing for life long fans. We watched the New Hope so many times, over and over, we love it so much. Same for the Empire and the Return of the Jedi. When I watched the Force Awakens, fully ready to be into it and love it with all I've got... I was bored. Movie was just something I saw before, so many times. I wanted to walk out, I knew Kylo was going to kill Han, there was a bridge, there was an orphan on the desert planet. There was the Millennium Falcon. I can understand why many younger people like it, they are not burdened with having watched the New Hope and rest so many times. And Palpatine is back, and death stars, and some new never seen force powers that nullifying anything that ever happened before. But, if you are watching it without knowing every single detail that came before, you probably like it. It is exactly the same stuff we all fell for before, there is clearly appeal in it. Something new was too risky for Disney when they had a template that works.

Not for me, I am Gen X. I saw 4-6 live in the theaters when originally released. I have seen 4-6 countless times. I generally like 7-9 (8 less than 7 and 9). I thought they built on the existing universe well, and I liked most of the characters. I think 7 and maybe 9 were better than 6, actually, but nowhere near as good as 4 and 5.

I also saw 1-3 live in the theaters. I am glad Disney took over because 1-3 were hideous. To give you a sense of my level of fandom, I went to a launch party for Episode 1, dressed up for the premiere at midnight, and went to cons. Yet I nearly walked out of Episode 1 before it finished, it was so, so bad. 2 and 3 were marginal improvements, but still awful.

For context, I liked RO, disliked Solo, and really liked CW.

I’m the one they’re calling “unhinged.” I was born in 86 and my introduction to Star Wars was the special editions. I was ecstatic to see them in the theatre. I then got into the books, dressed up as Luke too many times to count, played X wing with my friends on the playground, etc. I love 4-6 the most obviously, but also think 9 did an excellent job summing up the saga with some thoughtful updates to the cast and capabilities of the characters. The prequels are generally terrible, but from a plot point of view revenge of the Sith sets up a new hope well.

I do think it is a wee bit unhinged to think Kathleen Kennedy is here defending herself (if you were serious), but I salute a fellow dress-up kid! I also agree with what you wrote above.

[Anonymous]

Oops. PP here. I meant I agree on 4 and 5 and on 3. I actually think 6 was worse than 7 and 9. But not by much.