The Last Skywalker— with Spoilers

[Anonymous]

In TFA, when Rey is in the basement of Max’s castle.... she kneels in front of the chest with Luke’s saber. The camera swings around to her side in such a way that a “crown” appears on her head. I believed then that JJ was setting her up as a princess. That could be descended from padme, Leia or palpatine. Rian J is the one who tried to change that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In TFA, when Rey is in the basement of Max’s castle.... she kneels in front of the chest with Luke’s saber. The camera swings around to her side in such a way that a “crown” appears on her head. I believed then that JJ was setting her up as a princess. That could be descended from padme, Leia or palpatine. Rian J is the one who tried to change that.

Yep. However, the only evidence Rian J presented to change it is Kylo saying “you’re nobody.” Not strong evidence, IMO. Why would he be a credible source?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I actually preferred The Last Jedi to the Rise of Skywalker, for several reasons. Rian Johnson took the series in a very "non-Disney" direction with TLJ - he challenged beliefs and expectations for how this series is supposed to play out. Disney didn't like it, which is why JJ came back for the third one.

I particularly hate that JJ Abrams changed the story of Rey's lineage. What made her special was that she wasn't special - she didn't need to be a descendant of some quasi-incestuous, highly exclusive lineage (the Skywalkers, Kenobis, Palpatines, etc.) in order to have the power of the force. As Luke taught her on the island, the force isn't some "superpower" - it is an ever present and constantly evolving force in the world around it, keeping harmony. It isn't some gift that only select families might possess. A scavenger from Jakku could be force-sensitive just like the grandson of Anakin Skywalker could. JJ Abrams undid this unique perspective on the Force by making Rey a Palpatine, thus minimizing the magnitude of her gifts and suggesting that she is only of any sort of value because of her grandfather. He took the one truly unique aspect of the sequel trilogy and made episodes 7-9 essentially rehashes of both the prequels and the original trilogy.

Truly, they messed up with the directing situation. JJ Abrams should've directed all 3, or he shouldn't have come back for the last one. He seemed to have no true interest in maintaining any sort of continuity with the creative liberties that Johnson took in TLJ, making the entire sequel trilogy feel disjointed and messy. Had they made a plan for how this story would play out from the beginning, these movies could have lived up to their true potential.

We see the Force used by a nobody in Rogue One. Which is actually one of my favorites. And I saw A New Hope as a five year old when it premiered.

[Anonymous]

Whoever thinks Palpatine was planned all along are hilarious. The emperor actor already said that there were no plans to bring him back because Lucas said he’s 100% dead. No plan for these movies whatsoever.

People on here defend these movies. They’re nothing but cheap fan service cash grabs. Rise of Skywalker is awful. I hate to say this but the prequels are better than this trilogy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Whoever thinks Palpatine was planned all along are hilarious. The emperor actor already said that there were no plans to bring him back because Lucas said he’s 100% dead. No plan for these movies whatsoever.

People on here defend these movies. They’re nothing but cheap fan service cash grabs. Rise of Skywalker is awful. I hate to say this but the prequels are better than this trilogy.

If you think this, your opinion is already very suspect. Nobody rational could think this. The prequels were horrifying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Also, Rey ended up subverting what EVERY OTHER Force character has done and bucked her lineage to save the day. Kylo sort of turned good at the end but did little with it.

Rey showed that, to win, you have to show individuality and that you are more than your bloodline (as Luke said). Luke tried to do it (rebelled against his father) but ultimately couldn’t beat Palpatine. Rey finally did it.

That can’t be overstated as a major divergence from the originals.

You go on with that story. For me, Palpatine was killed by Anakin/Darth Vader. None of these 3 mean anything for real fans. Lucas is Star Wars, the good, the bad and the ugly. His ugliest is better than this pile of dung. The joke of all of you going on about how Rey ended the Skywalker saga is ridiculous. How she did what they could not! Pathetic attempt to get viewers to come and watch the movie by rehashing something that was done with. Some people have no reading skills either. No Palpatine was planned, nothing was planned, these movies do not exist. When Lucas sold the SW, the SW ceased to exist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever thinks Palpatine was planned all along are hilarious. The emperor actor already said that there were no plans to bring him back because Lucas said he’s 100% dead. No plan for these movies whatsoever.

People on here defend these movies. They’re nothing but cheap fan service cash grabs. Rise of Skywalker is awful. I hate to say this but the prequels are better than this trilogy.

If you think this, your opinion is already very suspect. Nobody rational could think this. The prequels were horrifying.

I can think what I want. Not saying the prequels are great but at least they tell a coherent and new story. Disney just made the same original trilogy again. I saw these movies already in 1977-1983. I don’t need to see a badly acted and written version of the same story 30 years later. Not only is the story bad in these new films, but besides Adam Driver, the acting is completely awful. If I want to watch Disney Channel acting, I’ll turn in Disney +.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Whoever thinks Palpatine was planned all along are hilarious. The emperor actor already said that there were no plans to bring him back because Lucas said he’s 100% dead. No plan for these movies whatsoever.

People on here defend these movies. They’re nothing but cheap fan service cash grabs. Rise of Skywalker is awful. I hate to say this but the prequels are better than this trilogy.

If you think this, your opinion is already very suspect. Nobody rational could think this. The prequels were horrifying.

I can think what I want. Not saying the prequels are great but at least they tell a coherent and new story. Disney just made the same original trilogy again. I saw these movies already in 1977-1983. I don’t need to see a badly acted and written version of the same story 30 years later. Not only is the story bad in these new films, but besides Adam Driver, the acting is completely awful. If I want to watch Disney Channel acting, I’ll turn in Disney +.

You can think what you want, of course, but your opinion shows you aren't rational if you think the prequels are better. Those were painful. 7-9 were, at worst, just dull. I didn't see anyone walk out of the theater like I saw with Episode 1.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Also, Rey ended up subverting what EVERY OTHER Force character has done and bucked her lineage to save the day. Kylo sort of turned good at the end but did little with it.

Rey showed that, to win, you have to show individuality and that you are more than your bloodline (as Luke said). Luke tried to do it (rebelled against his father) but ultimately couldn’t beat Palpatine. Rey finally did it.

That can’t be overstated as a major divergence from the originals.

You go on with that story. For me, Palpatine was killed by Anakin/Darth Vader. None of these 3 mean anything for real fans. Lucas is Star Wars, the good, the bad and the ugly. His ugliest is better than this pile of dung. The joke of all of you going on about how Rey ended the Skywalker saga is ridiculous. How she did what they could not! Pathetic attempt to get viewers to come and watch the movie by rehashing something that was done with. Some people have no reading skills either. No Palpatine was planned, nothing was planned, these movies do not exist. When Lucas sold the SW, the SW ceased to exist.

Uh huh ... ok.

You call yourself a real fan and don’t even know that Palpatine didn’t come back as fully alive. He was a spirit, which is a known Sith skill. Learn more.

[Anonymous]

I think the people who hate 7-9 because they are rehashes of 4-6 but who love 6 are logically inconsistent. 6 was a rehash of 4, probably more so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the people who hate 7-9 because they are rehashes of 4-6 but who love 6 are logically inconsistent. 6 was a rehash of 4, probably more so.

Yup. They want change but not SO much change. Decide whether you actually want something new, people!

This is why George Lucas hates most SW fans.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not really into this genre, but went with the family today.

I thought the story line was good. I think some of you complainers need to lighten up and just enjoy it for what it is -- a science fantasy movie that is meant to entertain people for a few hours.

I felt like this one had more dialog and story than the SOLO or the one where Kylo killed his father. I'd prefer that they lose about 90% of the starship battles and light saber battles, but aside from that, it was good.

If you’re a lifelong fan of the saga, this movie introduces things never done before that don’t make any sense and retroactively ruin the original trilogy. That’s why people have issues with it.

I am a lifelong, serious fan and I totally disagree with this assessment.

Another lifelong fan, and I also totally disagree with pp.

I am also a lifelong fan. It is a movie for FFS. If you are looking for it to answer all the questions of the Star Wars universe then you went into the movie setting yourself up to be disappointed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at the desperate prequel fanboys and girls. Sorry, the prequels sucked. Most rational fans recognize that.

Thankfully George Lucas sold to Disney or we would have had those monstrosities duplicated in 7-9. Did you see the interview where Lucas was going to go full on Midiclorian in 7-9, and add another kind of magic force virus? What a mess that would have been.

And the Disney ones suck even worse. Hence why every movie since 2015 has been losing money.

Say what you want, the prequels are canon and come from Lucas. They aren’t lazy rehashes like the Disney movies that just lazily repeat the original trilogy with awful badly written characters no one will care about in 3 years.

Losing money??! Are you delusional?

First of all, Lucas said the Disney ones are canon. So you need to get over that. Second, they’ve all made a TON of money.

Force Awakens: budget $260-300M; box office $2B
Last Jedi: budget $200-300M; box office $1.3B
Rise of Skywalker: budget $275M; box office $453 (and it’s been out for a week)

I disagree that the movies are lazy. I love the new characters. The Skywalker story wasn’t finished because Palpatine wasn’t dead yet, which is why the themes had to be revisited.

There are 3 more Star Wars movies coming out that Lucasfilms has said will be very different, so you’ll get your different themes then.

Umm the delusional one is you. In your own post, you’ll see the movies have been losing money yearly, not growing. Do you know how basic math and economics work? You clearly do not.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-box-office-opening-weekend.html

Huh?

The movies....since 2015....have been losing....money.

2015: 2B
2016: 1.05B
2017: 1.3B
2018: 392 Million

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Different poster but I am going to help here. Losing money (i.e. not making back the money it cost to make) and not making as much money are different things.
So you are incorrect. They are not losing money, there are just not making as much money as they used to. So I guess you could say profits are down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm laughing at the desperate prequel fanboys and girls. Sorry, the prequels sucked. Most rational fans recognize that.

Thankfully George Lucas sold to Disney or we would have had those monstrosities duplicated in 7-9. Did you see the interview where Lucas was going to go full on Midiclorian in 7-9, and add another kind of magic force virus? What a mess that would have been.

And the Disney ones suck even worse. Hence why every movie since 2015 has been losing money.

Say what you want, the prequels are canon and come from Lucas. They aren’t lazy rehashes like the Disney movies that just lazily repeat the original trilogy with awful badly written characters no one will care about in 3 years.

Losing money??! Are you delusional?

First of all, Lucas said the Disney ones are canon. So you need to get over that. Second, they’ve all made a TON of money.

Force Awakens: budget $260-300M; box office $2B
Last Jedi: budget $200-300M; box office $1.3B
Rise of Skywalker: budget $275M; box office $453 (and it’s been out for a week)

I disagree that the movies are lazy. I love the new characters. The Skywalker story wasn’t finished because Palpatine wasn’t dead yet, which is why the themes had to be revisited.

There are 3 more Star Wars movies coming out that Lucasfilms has said will be very different, so you’ll get your different themes then.

Umm the delusional one is you. In your own post, you’ll see the movies have been losing money yearly, not growing. Do you know how basic math and economics work? You clearly do not.

https://slate.com/culture/2019/12/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-box-office-opening-weekend.html

Huh?

The movies....since 2015....have been losing....money.

2015: 2B
2016: 1.05B
2017: 1.3B
2018: 392 Million

Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Different poster but I am going to help here. Losing money (i.e. not making back the money it cost to make) and not making as much money are different things.
So you are incorrect. They are not losing money, there are just not making as much money as they used to. So I guess you could say profits are down.

What time period do the older figures cover? If it’s from release of the film until now then of course the numbers are higher than the newer movies!

[Anonymous]

Mixed emotions as a lifetime SW fan.

On one hand, I will love this series simply because of the world and characters and family saga.

Overall, I enjoyed it from that basis. However, some threads felt odd and did take away from the experience:

- the connection between Reylo. That last scene just felt odd.
- whatever happened between Rey and Finn? At one point he says he wants to tell her something but never does. Feels odd that this storyline was never addressed by the end. Actors claim it was never about his feelings, but about being force sensitive, which is hard to buy tbh.
- finn and rose. did i imagine they had a connection in the last film or what? what happened? another loose end.
- rose tico was seriously streamlined in this film.

the one thread that resonated is that kylo dies in similar circumstances to his grandfather.