Doug Jones Wins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A one-point win against a pedophile and multiple sexual assaulter sure has energized the liberals.

To quote the great Sarah Sanders... "The people of Alabama have spoken and when they decisively voted in Doug Jones to represent them".

I mean, if this works for her defense of our atrocious President, why not use it with Jones.

He won. A win is a win.

+1000

Somehow all the "He won, live with it" is fading, after Virginia, New Jersey, now Alabama. On to 2018. #resist

[Anonymous]

I'm from Alabama.

My facebook feed is full of "Roll Tide" posts this morning. Made me a little teary, actually.

And before someone decides to NCAAsplain "Roll Tide" to me, yes, it is clearly a bit of a nonsequitur, but we in Alabama understand what it means here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A one-point win against a pedophile and multiple sexual assaulter sure has energized the liberals.

We can't help it the people of the historically red state of Alabama where the last democrat to unseat a Republican was something like 25 years ago has voters who still live in 1840. Considering how Trump carried Alabama this actually IS a significant win.

This is a HUGE win. People were still talking about basically conceding the seat during the primaries. A number of potential Dem candidates wouldn't run because they didn't think it was worth putting themselves out there. And then they found Doug Jones, who is a terrific candidate, and Roy Moore won the Rep primary, and ... game on.

My father still talks about being the only person in his neighborhood with a Clinton/Kaine sign. When we were there for Thanksgiving, there were Doug Jones signs up and down the block in his white, UMC neighborhood,

[Anonymous]

Roy Moore should be happy about all the votes that he got. Considering...

[Anonymous]

Anyone saying that a 1-2% win isn't a big deal is just kidding themselves. Alabama is the reddest state in the country. Any Republican running for Senate should get 70+% of the of the vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further evidence that voter suppression is counterproductive to democracy and damaging to the country as a whole. If black voters had not gotten out in great numbers and funded their own efforts to get on the ground and ensure African-American voters got registered and were not deterred at the polls then Roy Moore would be celebrating today. This victory for Doug Jones speaks volumes of why it is so important for white people to not simply shrug their shoulders and say, “Meh” about issues like gerrymandering and police intimidation at polling stations and insufficient equipment and staffing causing long lines at polling stations and biased voter ID laws...white people cannot afford to tolerate the existence of these forms of systemic racism that inhibit African-Americans from exercising their Constitutional right because voter suppression affects white folks too. Had the Black Belt in Alabama been suppressed like they usually are, had black grassroots organizations not put forth the energy and effort to make sure black voices were heard this Alabama Senate race would have had an entirely different outcome.

#BlackVotesMatter

Voter ID isn’t voter suppression. If there is voter suppression, it needs to be quelled immediately. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the purged Brooklyn voters in last year’s primary but, that was Hillary v Bernie. And F Bernie amirite????

Ok...but what about closing the offices in predominantly minority districts where these ID's are obtained - which is what happened in AL? See...here is the rub. If you want to require a voter ID, then you need to make damn sure that everyone who needs one can get one EASILY. Requiring the ID and then putting up hurdles to getting them is prima facie voter suppression.

[Anonymous]

Good post on why Republicans shouldn't assume Jones' win was an outlier.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republicans-shouldnt-assume-roy-moore-was-an-outlier/

In all but a handful of the 239 Republican-held House seats, 26 Republican-held governorships and eight Republican-held Senate seats that are up for election next November, these factors will not line up for Democrats in quite as fortuitous a way as they did in Alabama. That’s a good thing for the GOP, because if Democrats won every House seat as red as Alabama, they’d gain something in the order of 160 House seats from Republicans next November.

Democrats need 25 House seats, not 160, to take over the House next year. And they need two Senate seats — not eight — to win that chamber. (Jones’s win has substantially upped the odds of a Senate takeover; Democrats face an awful map but now have a clearer path to victory than they did 24 hours ago.) In the 2010 midterms, Republicans didn’t win a single House seat as blue as Massachusetts.7 They nonetheless picked up 63 seats and delivered a crippling blow to Obama’s agenda. Not every race is going to go as badly for Republicans as this Alabama Senate election — but if enough go half as badly, or even a third as badly, they’re still in for a rough time next year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further evidence that voter suppression is counterproductive to democracy and damaging to the country as a whole. If black voters had not gotten out in great numbers and funded their own efforts to get on the ground and ensure African-American voters got registered and were not deterred at the polls then Roy Moore would be celebrating today. This victory for Doug Jones speaks volumes of why it is so important for white people to not simply shrug their shoulders and say, “Meh” about issues like gerrymandering and police intimidation at polling stations and insufficient equipment and staffing causing long lines at polling stations and biased voter ID laws...white people cannot afford to tolerate the existence of these forms of systemic racism that inhibit African-Americans from exercising their Constitutional right because voter suppression affects white folks too. Had the Black Belt in Alabama been suppressed like they usually are, had black grassroots organizations not put forth the energy and effort to make sure black voices were heard this Alabama Senate race would have had an entirely different outcome.

#BlackVotesMatter

Voter ID isn’t voter suppression. If there is voter suppression, it needs to be quelled immediately. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the purged Brooklyn voters in last year’s primary but, that was Hillary v Bernie. And F Bernie amirite????

Ok...but what about closing the offices in predominantly minority districts where these ID's are obtained - which is what happened in AL? See...here is the rub. If you want to require a voter ID, then you need to make damn sure that everyone who needs one can get one EASILY. Requiring the ID and then putting up hurdles to getting them is prima facie voter suppression.

This.
I was just going to link to a single article, but this whole thread talks about the GOP shenanigans, Alabama edition. https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/940510156894425089 It's a lie, a flat lie, to say that "voter ID isn't suppression" when the people responsible for it SAY IT IS and then add additional hurdles to getting an ID!

[Anonymous]

I'm good with Dems taking over, watching the stock market tank, etc. Sometimes I think that until liberals are kicked squarely in the head, they don't understand their own lofty 'goals'. I believe lots of democrats recognize this, which is why immigration is such a hot-button issue. Liberals won't even admit that the attempted bombing in NYC was due to their own policies, even when the guy was found still wired and screaming why he did it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further evidence that voter suppression is counterproductive to democracy and damaging to the country as a whole. If black voters had not gotten out in great numbers and funded their own efforts to get on the ground and ensure African-American voters got registered and were not deterred at the polls then Roy Moore would be celebrating today. This victory for Doug Jones speaks volumes of why it is so important for white people to not simply shrug their shoulders and say, “Meh” about issues like gerrymandering and police intimidation at polling stations and insufficient equipment and staffing causing long lines at polling stations and biased voter ID laws...white people cannot afford to tolerate the existence of these forms of systemic racism that inhibit African-Americans from exercising their Constitutional right because voter suppression affects white folks too. Had the Black Belt in Alabama been suppressed like they usually are, had black grassroots organizations not put forth the energy and effort to make sure black voices were heard this Alabama Senate race would have had an entirely different outcome.

#BlackVotesMatter

Voter ID isn’t voter suppression. If there is voter suppression, it needs to be quelled immediately. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the purged Brooklyn voters in last year’s primary but, that was Hillary v Bernie. And F Bernie amirite????

Ok...but what about closing the offices in predominantly minority districts where these ID's are obtained - which is what happened in AL? See...here is the rub. If you want to require a voter ID, then you need to make damn sure that everyone who needs one can get one EASILY. Requiring the ID and then putting up hurdles to getting them is prima facie voter suppression.

This.
I was just going to link to a single article, but this whole thread talks about the GOP shenanigans, Alabama edition. https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/940510156894425089 It's a lie, a flat lie, to say that "voter ID isn't suppression" when the people responsible for it SAY IT IS and then add additional hurdles to getting an ID!

I'm good with that but it needs to be managed properly. No problem with American citizens getting easily obtained voter IDs ONLY. Too many non-citizens have been voting.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Further evidence that voter suppression is counterproductive to democracy and damaging to the country as a whole. If black voters had not gotten out in great numbers and funded their own efforts to get on the ground and ensure African-American voters got registered and were not deterred at the polls then Roy Moore would be celebrating today. This victory for Doug Jones speaks volumes of why it is so important for white people to not simply shrug their shoulders and say, “Meh” about issues like gerrymandering and police intimidation at polling stations and insufficient equipment and staffing causing long lines at polling stations and biased voter ID laws...white people cannot afford to tolerate the existence of these forms of systemic racism that inhibit African-Americans from exercising their Constitutional right because voter suppression affects white folks too. Had the Black Belt in Alabama been suppressed like they usually are, had black grassroots organizations not put forth the energy and effort to make sure black voices were heard this Alabama Senate race would have had an entirely different outcome.

#BlackVotesMatter

Voter ID isn’t voter suppression. If there is voter suppression, it needs to be quelled immediately. I didn’t hear anyone complaining about the purged Brooklyn voters in last year’s primary but, that was Hillary v Bernie. And F Bernie amirite????

Ok...but what about closing the offices in predominantly minority districts where these ID's are obtained - which is what happened in AL? See...here is the rub. If you want to require a voter ID, then you need to make damn sure that everyone who needs one can get one EASILY. Requiring the ID and then putting up hurdles to getting them is prima facie voter suppression.

This.
I was just going to link to a single article, but this whole thread talks about the GOP shenanigans, Alabama edition. https://mobile.twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/940510156894425089 It's a lie, a flat lie, to say that "voter ID isn't suppression" when the people responsible for it SAY IT IS and then add additional hurdles to getting an ID!

I agree hurdles must be lifted. I am dubious due to 2008 attempts to get State ID to one specific group of people in a very illegal manner in a state where the Senator won by 308 votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm good with that but it needs to be managed properly. No problem with American citizens getting easily obtained voter IDs ONLY. Too many non-citizens have been voting.

You read that whole thread and you say "I'm good with that"?

And LOL, no, no non-citizens have been voting. Americans have had their legal right to vote compromised however. But you're "good" with that so long as it's black Democrats.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm good with Dems taking over, watching the stock market tank, etc. Sometimes I think that until liberals are kicked squarely in the head, they don't understand their own lofty 'goals'. I believe lots of democrats recognize this, which is why immigration is such a hot-button issue. Liberals won't even admit that the attempted bombing in NYC was due to their own policies, even when the guy was found still wired and screaming why he did it.

Pretty sure the attempted bombing was in reaction to Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/n-y-subway-suspect-akayed-ullah-had-baby-son-june-n828671

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i'm tired of so much winning.

Lol. I see a Repubublican revolt against Trump coming very soon.

I think Republicans will lose seats in 2018. I also think Trump may not win re-election in 2020.

He can't run after he's impeached.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm good with Dems taking over, watching the stock market tank, etc. Sometimes I think that until liberals are kicked squarely in the head, they don't understand their own lofty 'goals'. I believe lots of democrats recognize this, which is why immigration is such a hot-button issue. Liberals won't even admit that the attempted bombing in NYC was due to their own policies, even when the guy was found still wired and screaming why he did it.

Pretty sure the attempted bombing was in reaction to Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/n-y-subway-suspect-akayed-ullah-had-baby-son-june-n828671

That's not how they spin it on FoxNews though...they probably say Hillary wired up the guy herself.