OMB trying to change guidance to no back pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

I don't follow your point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Many Feds enjoyed a near three (3) year long paid vacation during and well past the pandemic. In my hood, most were doing zero work by their own admission and yes, these were highly paid scientists, engineers, etc. I did not notice much guilt in any one of them - but they griped plenty when ordered back to "work". I get it...the law mandates Feds must be paid if furloughed, but this debate is not about that. People should get paid if they work. Simple

I have been working in the private sector for 30 years. I never worked in the privates sector. Fellow private sector workers like you are extremely bitter. If you are treated like sh*t in the private sector, please don't take your anger on Fed workers!

[Anonymous]

PP never worked in the public sector.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

Emphasis added. The difference is that many furloughed feds (depends on agency) are not allowed to pick up another job while on furlough, because they can't get the ethics clearance. So no way to earn $ right now to cover the income loss.

And...once we return, I'm sure that there are many feds who would be happy to work overtime for extra pay once back at work (I don't count myself as one because I'm an attorney and thus regularly am "allowed" to work extra hours and on weekends without compensation). However, those federal employees will not be able to work overtime without approval, which can be very hard to get.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

Emphasis added. The difference is that many furloughed feds (depends on agency) are not allowed to pick up another job while on furlough, because they can't get the ethics clearance. So no way to earn $ right now to cover the income loss.

And...once we return, I'm sure that there are many feds who would be happy to work overtime for extra pay once back at work (I don't count myself as one because I'm an attorney and thus regularly am "allowed" to work extra hours and on weekends without compensation). However, those federal employees will not be able to work overtime without approval, which can be very hard to get.

Can they work as delivery driver for Uber/door dash? I didn't know this. That's crazy. Not only FED have much lower salaries and now they can't pick up a second job? What's the incentive for working for the government then? I'm glad I never looked at the FED when I was looking for my first job. Sure I don't have job security but my salary at 35 $298k is higher than probably 80% of FED workers..and I also have great 401k match, health insurance and a good rotation program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

Emphasis added. The difference is that many furloughed feds (depends on agency) are not allowed to pick up another job while on furlough, because they can't get the ethics clearance. So no way to earn $ right now to cover the income loss.

And...once we return, I'm sure that there are many feds who would be happy to work overtime for extra pay once back at work (I don't count myself as one because I'm an attorney and thus regularly am "allowed" to work extra hours and on weekends without compensation). However, those federal employees will not be able to work overtime without approval, which can be very hard to get.

Can they work as delivery driver for Uber/door dash? I didn't know this. That's crazy. Not only FED have much lower salaries and now they can't pick up a second job? What's the incentive for working for the government then? I'm glad I never looked at the FED when I was looking for my first job. Sure I don't have job security but my salary at 35 $298k is higher than probably 80% of FED workers..and I also have great 401k match, health insurance and a good rotation program.

Outside of furlough, you can get a second job as long as it doesn’t ethically conflict with your fed job. But you have to get ethics clearance before you get the second job. During furlough, the ethics offices are closed so there’s no one to approve your second job.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

Emphasis added. The difference is that many furloughed feds (depends on agency) are not allowed to pick up another job while on furlough, because they can't get the ethics clearance. So no way to earn $ right now to cover the income loss.

And...once we return, I'm sure that there are many feds who would be happy to work overtime for extra pay once back at work (I don't count myself as one because I'm an attorney and thus regularly am "allowed" to work extra hours and on weekends without compensation). However, those federal employees will not be able to work overtime without approval, which can be very hard to get.

Can they work as delivery driver for Uber/door dash? I didn't know this. That's crazy. Not only FED have much lower salaries and now they can't pick up a second job? What's the incentive for working for the government then? I'm glad I never looked at the FED when I was looking for my first job. Sure I don't have job security but my salary at 35 $298k is higher than probably 80% of FED workers..and I also have great 401k match, health insurance and a good rotation program.

Before this administration, the incentive used to be stability, work-life balance, and (in many cases) the opportunity to do some really fulfilling work that serves the public. A lot of that incentive was destroyed recently, for no real benefit to taxpayers.

[Anonymous]

(But who care about ethics these days, amirite?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(But who care about ethics these days, amirite?)

These days? Please don’t mistake the current administration for the prior one. Thanks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(But who care about ethics these days, amirite?)

These days? Please don’t mistake the current administration for the prior one. Thanks

Hey at least we had politicals in the prior admin that went through ethics review!

[Anonymous]

GovExec reporting that IRS told furloughed workers they would receive back pay.

[Anonymous]

its a salaried job with lower pay than the private sector. it used to offer security. now not so much.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:(But who care about ethics these days, amirite?)

+1
This administration is corrupt and dishonest. It's well documented and irrefutable. They are also making bank. $3.4B and counting.
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-family-profit-white-house-billions-rcna225627
So get that second job and ask permission later.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:(But who care about ethics these days, amirite?)

+1
This administration is corrupt and dishonest. It's well documented and irrefutable. They are also making bank. $3.4B and counting.
https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/trump-family-profit-white-house-billions-rcna225627
So get that second job and ask permission later.

Democrats should not throw stones in glass houses.

[Anonymous]

DOGE was doing the exact things I was told to NOT to in the data security trainings we have to take yearly. It was pretty amazing that the administration didn’t even bat an eye. It was pretty demoralizing (even beyond all their other BS).