OMB trying to change guidance to no back pay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Essential” who are working should 100% get paid - there should be a rainy day fund for this. Examples include active military and others deemed “dangerous essential”. Not right to pay for work performed in any book. However, those furloughed should not receive back pay. Yes..not their fault govt ran out of money but how is this different from a private employee who lays off employees for the same reason? We assume the loss of employment -why do Feds feel entitled to pay if their employee has no $$ to make payroll.

You’re using the word “should” a lot. Let’s just boil this down to expecting that the administration follows the law. The law says that furloughed feds do get back pay. If you disapprove of this, take it up with Congress, which passed this law with overwhelming bipartisan support. Whether feds feel entitled to it or not is irrelevant. Under the law they are entitled to it.

AMEN

[Anonymous]

It’s not a layoff, it’s a suspension of operations until Congress gets its chair together. Employees are entitled by law to their pay during shutdowns, the end. We are not at-will hourly employees. Government service is not the equivalent of anything else. Just stop.

-signed, someone working today who does not want anyone who works for me to go unpaid because of politics. I don’t care if they “worked” during the shutdown or not. It’s the law they get paid, and for good reason.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It’s not a layoff, it’s a suspension of operations until Congress gets its chair together. Employees are entitled by law to their pay during shutdowns, the end. We are not at-will hourly employees. Government service is not the equivalent of anything else. Just stop.

-signed, someone working today who does not want anyone who works for me to go unpaid because of politics. I don’t care if they “worked” during the shutdown or not. It’s the law they get paid, and for good reason.

Thanks PP. For what it's worth, I think you should get extra for having to work through this. I know you won't get anything, but you should.
- furloughed

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Essential” who are working should 100% get paid - there should be a rainy day fund for this. Examples include active military and others deemed “dangerous essential”. Not right to pay for work performed in any book. However, those furloughed should not receive back pay. Yes..not their fault govt ran out of money but how is this different from a private employee who lays off employees for the same reason? We assume the loss of employment -why do Feds feel entitled to pay if their employee has no $$ to make payroll.

If you'd laid me off, I'd be due severance and I could work somewhere else. Right now I'm just locked out of my office, at my employer's choice, but they've told me to stick around in case they need something.

Get real. Unemployment is peanuts. And nobody is hiring!! You are way better off furloughed and unable to work than laid off.

Let them eat cake!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s not a layoff, it’s a suspension of operations until Congress gets its chair together. Employees are entitled by law to their pay during shutdowns, the end. We are not at-will hourly employees. Government service is not the equivalent of anything else. Just stop.

-signed, someone working today who does not want anyone who works for me to go unpaid because of politics. I don’t care if they “worked” during the shutdown or not. It’s the law they get paid, and for good reason.

Thanks PP. For what it's worth, I think you should get extra for having to work through this. I know you won't get anything, but you should.
- furloughed

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Essential” who are working should 100% get paid - there should be a rainy day fund for this. Examples include active military and others deemed “dangerous essential”. Not right to pay for work performed in any book. However, those furloughed should not receive back pay. Yes..not their fault govt ran out of money but how is this different from a private employee who lays off employees for the same reason? We assume the loss of employment -why do Feds feel entitled to pay if their employee has no $$ to make payroll.

If you'd laid me off, I'd be due severance and I could work somewhere else. Right now I'm just locked out of my office, at my employer's choice, but they've told me to stick around in case they need something.

Get real. Unemployment is peanuts. And nobody is hiring!! You are way better off furloughed and unable to work than laid off.

Let them eat cake!

Yes, essential workers should not whine about being forced to work full time without pay. Federal workers shouldn't be due back pay. Federal workers shouldn't be able to find a temp job to pay their salaries during this period. They shouldn't be able to collect unemployment. Let them survive on air! /s

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i own a landscaping, construction company. If it rains, snows, etc and the jobs get cancelled, we don't get paid. The pay can then be made up by working longer hours, during weekends, etc. I want to pay them but if there is snow on the ground for two weeks, I cannot be solvent. Is inclement weather their fault? The guys work hard, have families to feed, etc and earn a fraction of what these lazy a$$ Feds earn so no I don't feel sorry. No work = no pay!

Emphasis added. The difference is that many furloughed feds (depends on agency) are not allowed to pick up another job while on furlough, because they can't get the ethics clearance. So no way to earn $ right now to cover the income loss.

And...once we return, I'm sure that there are many feds who would be happy to work overtime for extra pay once back at work (I don't count myself as one because I'm an attorney and thus regularly am "allowed" to work extra hours and on weekends without compensation). However, those federal employees will not be able to work overtime without approval, which can be very hard to get.

Can they work as delivery driver for Uber/door dash? I didn't know this. That's crazy. Not only FED have much lower salaries and now they can't pick up a second job? What's the incentive for working for the government then? I'm glad I never looked at the FED when I was looking for my first job. Sure I don't have job security but my salary at 35 $298k is higher than probably 80% of FED workers..and I also have great 401k match, health insurance and a good rotation program.

Outside of furlough, you can get a second job as long as it doesn’t ethically conflict with your fed job. But you have to get ethics clearance before you get the second job. During furlough, the ethics offices are closed so there’s no one to approve your second job.

Ubereats isn’t a second job. And obviously there is no ethics conflict of interest with ubereats, so f**k getting permission.

No one should get themselves fired because they didn't get ethics clearance to drive for ubereats. If you're going to get yourself fired, make it for something better than that.

+1 You're using the word "should" a lot. Are you going to put out your money to pay for legal assistance to someone who finds an income source they didn't declare to their agency because this administration uses it as an excuse to fire them?

[Anonymous]

What goes around….feds are paying now for their free years long covid vacation. Goota take a little bad with all that good…no?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What goes around….feds are paying now for their free years long covid vacation. Goota take a little bad with all that good…no?

No we don't "goota" do that Vlad. Take your stupid misspelled posts to some MAGA chatroom where you'll be one of many.

[Anonymous]

Vought is a PoS. He is trying to kill backpay. We aren’t getting a raise this year and I just saw the premium increase for health insurance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vought is a PoS. He is trying to kill backpay. We aren’t getting a raise this year and I just saw the premium increase for health insurance.

It’s quite simple actually: No work, no pay.

Got it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“ Essential” who are working should 100% get paid - there should be a rainy day fund for this. Examples include active military and others deemed “dangerous essential”. Not right to pay for work performed in any book. However, those furloughed should not receive back pay. Yes..not their fault govt ran out of money but how is this different from a private employee who lays off employees for the same reason? We assume the loss of employment -why do Feds feel entitled to pay if their employee has no $$ to make payroll.

You’re using the word “should” a lot. Let’s just boil this down to expecting that the administration follows the law. The law says that furloughed feds do get back pay. If you disapprove of this, take it up with Congress, which passed this law with overwhelming bipartisan support. Whether feds feel entitled to it or not is irrelevant. Under the law they are entitled to it.

AMEN

And who is going to enforce this SCOTUS? LOL wake up. And how long will that take to sue the Trump administration?

There will be no back pay. Listen when they spew.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Vought is a PoS. He is trying to kill backpay. We aren’t getting a raise this year and I just saw the premium increase for health insurance.

+1 And it's not just Vought it is the whole Repuke party

[Anonymous]

For anyone complaining the feds get back pay.

Why are you not complaining that House Republicans have been on vacation since July 15th? Why are they getting paid? They haven't worked at all this year!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What goes around….feds are paying now for their free years long covid vacation. Goota take a little bad with all that good…no?

Yes, working until midnight every night and getting up at 6AM so I could get my work done around my infant son's schedule when his daycare was closed was such a vacation.