When Did Having Healthcare become a Right?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you consider yourself a true Christian who walks the path of Christ, you shouldn't get your self-righteous jollies watching other people suffer from sickness. Disgusting how the MAGA cross-wearing crowd can't quite wrap their heads around this, or worse, rationalize why it's ok to let poor people suffer and die (because guess what, the MAGA hat doesn't doesn't bestow you with endless blessings and protection from God, no built-in guardian angel, either. Who knew).

Karoline Leavitt every day in her cross. Christians should be calling her out.

OMG I hate that woman

So young and yet able to lie effortlessly and with such arrogance. What twisted upbringing made that possible?

And i view her cross she wears to be just as reprehensible as Trump's upside down Bible
- one Christian who feels like everyone else drsnk the Kool aid

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are food and water rights?
How about education?
Are we a society?

Yes but not a communist society, get your ass a job

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

By this theory, a woman shouldn’t be forced to continue a pregnancy, wanted or unwanted, yet here we are.

[Anonymous]

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How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.


No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

Okay. So the title of your thread is misleading. You obviously believe in some healthcare as a right. So what level of care do you consider "above what you would support"? Do you believe that Medicare is an "insurance scheme"? Please cite the for-profit health systems that are being enriched by Medicare and how that enrichment is taking place. Sounds like you may be worried about fraud (which definitely needs to be prosecuted).

I should have distinguished between medicare and medicaid - medicare, since beneficiaries pay for it, is very different than medicaid going to able-bodied adults and immigrants. It is not a right, but a program. It could be cut, and there would be electoral consequences. The US taxpayer should not be providing government backed health insurance to immigrants either legal or illegal. Visas should be revoked if a visa holder applies for government paid-for insurance. Illegal immigrants should receive no insurance like benefits. They do not receive medicaid, but states that provide illegals their version of medicaid get to offset the money they spend to do this with federal matching.

It is being cut, and there are no consequences.

There are no benefits of this kind going to illegal immigrants.

For legal immigrants, if they have naturalized and are working and paying into Social Security and have achieved their minimim quarters, then why wouldn't they be able to receive benefits from the system?

Wow talk about a false argument. Undocumented immigrants can not use Medicaid or Medicare. They just can’t. So you have no argument.

Let’s argue about what type of cheese the moon is made of. This would be a much more honest and productive use of time.

I know rich immigrants neighbors who bring elderly relatives I and immediately claim that relative is indigent, get them on Medicaid, then laugh about how easy it was to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you consider yourself a true Christian who walks the path of Christ, you shouldn't get your self-righteous jollies watching other people suffer from sickness. Disgusting how the MAGA cross-wearing crowd can't quite wrap their heads around this, or worse, rationalize why it's ok to let poor people suffer and die (because guess what, the MAGA hat doesn't doesn't bestow you with endless blessings and protection from God, no built-in guardian angel, either. Who knew).

Karoline Leavitt every day in her cross. Christians should be calling her out.

OMG I hate that woman

So young and yet able to lie effortlessly and with such arrogance. What twisted upbringing made that possible?

And i view her cross she wears to be just as reprehensible as Trump's upside down Bible
- one Christian who feels like everyone else drsnk the Kool aid

The same has been said about Democratic Presidents' press secretaries. That's part of the job. They're not unbiased (hah!) news reporters.

Learn to listen/view anyone on TV/YouTube/Internet with a grain of salt. Consider what they're telling you (and whether it's accurate or not), and more importantly, what they're NOT telling you.

[Anonymous]

Healthcare became a right when Europe was rebuilding from WWII, taking a lesson from the tragedy.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Health_Service_(England)

But halfish of the USA took the wrong lesson, and is itching for a do-over.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.


No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

Okay. So the title of your thread is misleading. You obviously believe in some healthcare as a right. So what level of care do you consider "above what you would support"? Do you believe that Medicare is an "insurance scheme"? Please cite the for-profit health systems that are being enriched by Medicare and how that enrichment is taking place. Sounds like you may be worried about fraud (which definitely needs to be prosecuted).

I should have distinguished between medicare and medicaid - medicare, since beneficiaries pay for it, is very different than medicaid going to able-bodied adults and immigrants. It is not a right, but a program. It could be cut, and there would be electoral consequences. The US taxpayer should not be providing government backed health insurance to immigrants either legal or illegal. Visas should be revoked if a visa holder applies for government paid-for insurance. Illegal immigrants should receive no insurance like benefits. They do not receive medicaid, but states that provide illegals their version of medicaid get to offset the money they spend to do this with federal matching.

It is being cut, and there are no consequences.

There are no benefits of this kind going to illegal immigrants.

For legal immigrants, if they have naturalized and are working and paying into Social Security and have achieved their minimim quarters, then why wouldn't they be able to receive benefits from the system?

Wow talk about a false argument. Undocumented immigrants can not use Medicaid or Medicare. They just can’t. So you have no argument.

Let’s argue about what type of cheese the moon is made of. This would be a much more honest and productive use of time.

I know rich immigrants neighbors who bring elderly relatives I and immediately claim that relative is indigent, get them on Medicaid, then laugh about how easy it was to do so.

You’re THIS CLOSE to understanding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP-I don’t mind paying for healthcare. The problem is that even paying for it does not translate into getting good coverage. If people pay for the privilege, shouldn’t they actually get access to the care they need? Without going into debt?

I do mind paying for it through my taxes, at least to a point. Someone who abuses their body with junk food, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, etc... should have to shoulder more of the costs of their poor life choices. Those poor life choices affect the cost of healthcare for everyone. Preventative care (i.e., avoiding voluntary-incurred health problems) is the least expensive for a society that provides publicly-funded healthcare.

Many healthcare plans offer wellness incentives (including ACA plans), but they aren't enough to dissuade poor life choices (as they require people have health insurance in the first place).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you consider yourself a true Christian who walks the path of Christ, you shouldn't get your self-righteous jollies watching other people suffer from sickness. Disgusting how the MAGA cross-wearing crowd can't quite wrap their heads around this, or worse, rationalize why it's ok to let poor people suffer and die (because guess what, the MAGA hat doesn't doesn't bestow you with endless blessings and protection from God, no built-in guardian angel, either. Who knew).

Karoline Leavitt every day in her cross. Christians should be calling her out.

The single, unifying belief of Christianity is that humans have God-given right to sin all they want.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

Jesus wrote a blank check.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP-I don’t mind paying for healthcare. The problem is that even paying for it does not translate into getting good coverage. If people pay for the privilege, shouldn’t they actually get access to the care they need? Without going into debt?

I do mind paying for it through my taxes, at least to a point. Someone who abuses their body with junk food, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, etc... should have to shoulder more of the costs of their poor life choices. Those poor life choices affect the cost of healthcare for everyone. Preventative care (i.e., avoiding voluntary-incurred health problems) is the least expensive for a society that provides publicly-funded healthcare.

Many healthcare plans offer wellness incentives (including ACA plans), but they aren't enough to dissuade poor life choices (as they require people have health insurance in the first place).

So how about we stop subsidizing the manufacturing, distribution, and advertising of poison food?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Free healthcare is needed to get all the best doctors into private healthcare. Now an illegal alien can walk into an emergency room and by the luck of the draw end up with the world's best doctors . Needs to stop. Need two systems ...public and private just like schools.

You know House was pretend right? The “brilliant” doctor thing is not real and can’t save all the patients. I’d rather have easy access to a regular old doctor for most of my needs. Odds are, I’m not a super special case that would require a non existent Dr. House and neither are you.

Apparently in the 80s, the government decided to curb the number of doctors trained and that (in large part) caused our current doc shortage. That is more of issue, than who is the best doctor.

There is no doctor shortage. There is an affordability shortage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP-I don’t mind paying for healthcare. The problem is that even paying for it does not translate into getting good coverage. If people pay for the privilege, shouldn’t they actually get access to the care they need? Without going into debt?

I do mind paying for it through my taxes, at least to a point. Someone who abuses their body with junk food, cigarettes, drugs, alcohol, etc... should have to shoulder more of the costs of their poor life choices. Those poor life choices affect the cost of healthcare for everyone. Preventative care (i.e., avoiding voluntary-incurred health problems) is the least expensive for a society that provides publicly-funded healthcare.

Many healthcare plans offer wellness incentives (including ACA plans), but they aren't enough to dissuade poor life choices (as they require people have health insurance in the first place).

So how about we stop subsidizing the manufacturing, distribution, and advertising of poison food?

RFK, Jr. seems to be helping on this point.

But do you agree that poor life choices are part of the problem? People are free to make them, but society shouldn't obligated to pay for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Free healthcare is needed to get all the best doctors into private healthcare. Now an illegal alien can walk into an emergency room and by the luck of the draw end up with the world's best doctors . Needs to stop. Need two systems ...public and private just like schools.

You know House was pretend right? The “brilliant” doctor thing is not real and can’t save all the patients. I’d rather have easy access to a regular old doctor for most of my needs. Odds are, I’m not a super special case that would require a non existent Dr. House and neither are you.

Apparently in the 80s, the government decided to curb the number of doctors trained and that (in large part) caused our current doc shortage. That is more of issue, than who is the best doctor.

There is no doctor shortage. There is an affordability shortage.

No, there is a shortage of doctors who are willing to incur the costs, time and work to become doctors and accept the same wages as a blue collar worker in order to bring healthcare costs down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Are food and water rights?
How about education?
Are we a society?

Yes but not a communist society, get your ass a job

But that's the thing. There are a gazillion Americans in the gig economy - especially young people. They hustle. They work. They still can't afford health insurance. Do you have any idea what individual, or God forbid, family insurance costs these days?

No, because you are an old man corporate lackey who understands nothing about the real world.

I remain perplexed by Republicans and their insistence that only government employees and Fortune 500 workers should get health insurance. There is nothing philosophically conservative about this position.

But as always with Republicans, the cruelty is the point.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Are food and water rights?
How about education?
Are we a society?

Yes but not a communist society, get your ass a job

But that's the thing. There are a gazillion Americans in the gig economy - especially young people. They hustle. They work. They still can't afford health insurance. Do you have any idea what individual, or God forbid, family insurance costs these days?

No, because you are an old man corporate lackey who understands nothing about the real world.

I remain perplexed by Republicans and their insistence that only government employees and Fortune 500 workers should get health insurance. There is nothing philosophically conservative about this position.

But as always with Republicans, the cruelty is the point.

DP. There are plenty of open jobs that have healthcare (many small businesses are desperate for workers and offer healthcare). No one forced these young people to live in certain locations nor pursue gig economy jobs.