When Did Having Healthcare become a Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.

No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

[Anonymous]

How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.

+1 I'd wager that the OP went to public schools at some point and even if they didn't they have benefitted from research done in public universities.

[Anonymous]

How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.


+1 I'd wager that the OP went to public schools at some point and even if they didn't they have benefitted from research done in public universities.

And they have benefited from the work of those who went to public schools. We all work together here in America. We didn't become this great country without keeping people from being sick and the prevention of the spread of disease. Human beings are a great national resource even if you don't like your fellow man OP.

[Anonymous]

This is such an unserious conversation.

The word "right" means different things in different contexts. If we're talking about Lockean natural rights, then sure, healthcare is not one of those. In other contexts, the word "right" refers to a legal entitlement created by statute, like intellectual property rights or the right to a public education. It is not inaccurate to say that children have a right to a public education in the United States, even though that right is created by statute and not God.

The same is true here. When people say healthcare is a right, they're not talking about an Enlightenment-era conception of rights; they're saying that government should guarantee some degree of access to healthcare because it is so fundamental and necessary to a functioning society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Probably appropriate to mention, there were roads *before* there were taxes.

Our interstate highway system has been crucial to establishing the US as a thriving economy. We make choices as a society based on our values and what we believe will benefit the common good. We express these choices through collective action via government. Always have. Always will.

[Anonymous]

Not a right but goes along with “to provide for the general welfare of the people.”

No person should be financially destroyed for a health issue due to insufficient funds or insurance. However, the US treasury shouldn’t be destroyed paying for ordinary care like aspirin.

Somewhere between “government pays it all” and “the citizen pays it all” is a reasonable solution.

What that solution may be, I have no idea.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.


No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

Okay. So the title of your thread is misleading. You obviously believe in some healthcare as a right. So what level of care do you consider "above what you would support"? Do you believe that Medicare is an "insurance scheme"? Please cite the for-profit health systems that are being enriched by Medicare and how that enrichment is taking place. Sounds like you may be worried about fraud (which definitely needs to be prosecuted).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

Let's turn the question differently....what is more expensive, having people running to emergency rooms with every malady or condition, or...providing once a year check ups with proactive medicine to catch things before they become acute. And, while you are pondering this question, consider that every industrialized country in the world has universal healthcare or some version of it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Since healthcare must be performed by others and has to be paid for, how is it a right? If it is a right, what does that look like? Free neighborhood clinics or cancer treatment at MD Anderson?

When did having roads become a right?

Or fire stations?

The interstates or a Navy?

Those are not rights, and no one has ever said they were rights.

And yet, our country provides them all without question or issue.

[Anonymous]

OP, do you believe that people over age 65 should have Medicare or do you think everyone at those ages should have to pay for private insurance?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Probably appropriate to mention, there were roads *before* there were taxes.

and they were unplanned, didn't necessarily connect to each other and were in generally poor condition. The US interstate system came about when a young Colonel Eisenhower tried to get troops across the country before the Great Depression and had a miserable time of it. He saw the autobahns in Germany and it was one of the first things he did as president in terms of signing the legislation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Nobody has the "right" to free labor of another human being or the "right" to take another person's money to pay for free services.

It is charity given by the grace of others.

The entitlement attitude is childish and gross.

IOW, let them eat cake

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:America elected Trump to Make America Great Again. Barack Obama did NOTHING to help get the poisons out of our food. At least Trump got FORMER Democrat RFK on board to do something productive.

Obama did NOTHING.

He tried, but the GOP voted down the bills his white house sponsored to do these things. And if you honestly think Trump and RFK,jr are going to do ANYTHING for you, I don't know what to tell you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:America elected Trump to Make America Great Again. Barack Obama did NOTHING to help get the poisons out of our food. At least Trump got FORMER Democrat RFK on board to do something productive.

Obama did NOTHING.

WHAT? Michelle Obama faced horrible opposition from Republicans for trying to get the poison out of school lunches for kids. Where were you? Oh- probably calling her names.

The PP was too busy being outraged over sleeveless dresses or tan suits.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How do you feel about public schools, OP?
I’m guessing you are also like:
Why should I pay to educate someone else’s child?
Why should I pay for roads I don’t drive on?
Why should I pay for fire stations that will likely never benefit me?
Stop enslaving me to pay for schools, roads, and emergency services I don’t use, waah waah waah

I’m guessing if a poor person breaks their arm, you want them to die of sepsis? Too bad for them, huh.

No, I accept that the democratic process and policies of our lawmakers have led to public schools. I would vote for public schools any day and support paying for them. I understand that roads are fundamental to the economy and support them. Fire stations - the same. I would even support a bond measure to raise money (weirdly some municipalities rely on volunteers to put out fires, yet provide free housing to illegal immigrants). I am not opposed to some level of healthcare, but what is provided on medicaid is far above what I would support. Neighborhood clinics for preventive health and life, limb, and eyesight emergent care seems appropriate - and some program for children who need care and treatment for illnesses. Definitely not some insurance scheme that enriches for-profit health systems.

you sound socialistic.

(that was sarcasm)